Re: Compost Bin Purity: Oh crap, how do earthworms work?

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Re: Compost Bin Purity: Oh crap, how do earthworms work?

Postby Burseig » Thu May 16, 2013 11:27 am

Avarice wrote:Today I bought some 7% pure salt boards, they were just above 45 salt.

I built a compost bin and added a single 85% pure salt worm with 96.x salt

I added no other worms just to see what the first humus would look like and I get... 32, 22,22,22 humus with 0% purity.

Why bother grinding up trees at all with results like this. :(


On the page 13, 14, 15 of this thread I showed some calculation. I can repeat them here as this thread start to be very long.


Impact of bin purity :
(I substract 25 (neutral value to humus and bin)
Humus = 0,2865 * bin
In your example, bin is around 45
Humus = 0,2865 * (45-25) = 5,73
The bin produce an increase of 5,73 on your humus, your humus will have 5,73 + 25 = 30,73 in salt without worm.

Roughly a worm impact is :
Humus = 0,02 * worm (again I substract 25)
In your example, worm has 96 in salt
Humus = 0,02 * (96-25) = 1,42

You combine bin and worm you get 5,73+1,42 = 7,15
So you should get humus near 32,15. (Which seems confirmed by your post)

Of course I don't claim having the exact numbers but you get a quite good idea of what s going on.

One worm is not enough of course. Try to reach 100% efficiency of worm (6 pythons + 1 worm, or 25 worms (but that leave no space for new humus :D )), and if you use only worm as good as the one you have, you will reach pretty nice humus value.
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Re: Re: Compost Bin Purity: Oh crap, how do earthworms work?

Postby Avarice » Thu May 16, 2013 5:28 pm

Thanks again for the reply Burseig, you are always helpful. :)

I really just posted this to toss out some more data and vent a little at my disappointment. I vultured that single worm from a dead base and quickly bought the boards, thinking I would get far better results.

I have other worms I've been feeding, but nothing like that little beast.
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Re: Compost Bin Purity: Oh crap, how do earthworms work?

Postby kozzy680 » Thu May 16, 2013 8:40 pm

I combined 4% clay 5% granite and 4%lime and = 2% pot ... WTF ?
Well never mind and .... I have planted tree and used 4% water and 2% humus ... = 0% green tree WTF ??
result with 10% pure worm and compost bin from this wood = 0% humus ??? I dont get this system.
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Re: Re: Compost Bin Purity: Oh crap, how do earthworms work?

Postby DemonEyes » Thu May 16, 2013 8:50 pm

do not get confused by %.. its the levels of the elements that are important
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Re: Re: Compost Bin Purity: Oh crap, how do earthworms work?

Postby kozzy680 » Thu May 16, 2013 9:01 pm

DemonEyes wrote:do not get confused by %.. its the levels of the elements that are important

top elemet were all about 33% 39% I think and in this proces got to 28% green elemet tree (0%pure) so it does not make sense. ????? I know 50% pure green and other elements 25% is diffrent than 50% green and 49%red together. I would expect at least some value between 33% 35% . This I cant hardly imagine how this would work on new server without this tons of prepatch 90% pure worm food and humus around. Producing just 10% would be reall pain also with alchemy.
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Re: Re: Compost Bin Purity: Oh crap, how do earthworms work?

Postby wiatrak » Thu May 16, 2013 9:07 pm

If you combined for example merc/lead lime + merc/salt granite + merc/sulph clay you will not get better result than using everything that matches. And yes it also appiles to cuttings/humus/worms etc.
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Re: Re: Compost Bin Purity: Oh crap, how do earthworms work?

Postby kozzy680 » Thu May 16, 2013 9:13 pm

wiatrak wrote:If you combined for example merc/lead lime + merc/salt granite + merc/sulph clay you will not get better result than using everything that matches. And yes it also appiles to cuttings/humus/worms etc.

ok so if I understand you ... you say it will be this ***** same way even if I got all 5% pure stuff with all 4 elements same ?
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Re: Re: Compost Bin Purity: Oh crap, how do earthworms work?

Postby lachlaan » Thu May 16, 2013 9:31 pm

What he means is that for any single value of the highest element there's a range of purities that the item can take, depending on the uniformity of the other elements. So 70/10/10/10 will be the least pure variety of 70 salt anything, and 70/30/0/0 or any combination of 70 salt and 30 in another element is the highest purity a 70 salt item can have. Mixing items with different secondary elements will yield more uniform 2nd, 3rd and 4th elements and thus give you the lowest purity percentage you can get for that maximum main element value.
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Re: Re: Compost Bin Purity: Oh crap, how do earthworms work?

Postby kozzy680 » Thu May 16, 2013 9:35 pm

lachlaan wrote:What he means is that for any single value of the highest element there's a range of purities that the item can take, depending on the uniformity of the other elements. So 70/10/10/10 will be the least pure variety of 70 salt anything, and 70/30/0/0 or any combination of 70 salt and 30 in another element is the highest purity a 70 salt item can have. Mixing items with different secondary elements will yield more uniform 2nd, 3rd and 4th elements and thus give you the lowest purity percentage you can get for that maximum main element value.

Yes it looks like so but still main element is lover than sum of all parts and thats strange.
Any idea how is total purity calculated exactly from 4 elements ? or some samples like 0/0/50/50 = ? 50/16/16/16 = ?
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Re: Re: Compost Bin Purity: Oh crap, how do earthworms work?

Postby anesig » Thu May 16, 2013 9:50 pm

from the wiki (which seems to be still accurate on this topic)

[(Salt^2 + Merc^2 + Sulp^2 + Lead^2)-.25]*(4/3)
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