Re: Compost Bin Purity: Oh crap, how do earthworms work?

[wiatrak]

Im feeding mines with pumpkin flesh.

[Wournos]

I already tried to feed one worm with Ear of cereal and he didn't touch anything.
I never tried with seeds yet.

But in my opinion, if we want to increase worm purity above 40, foraged items will not be enough.
We have to be able to feed them with seeds? or at least cabbage or pumpkin. But if seeds are not eaten, that means Cereals are of no use to raise worm purity.

Either we need pumpkin/cabbage fields or we need to plant sugar caps or garlic in pot to feed the worms with 40+ material.
Fields produce a lot more, and with only pots it will be a pain in the ass to feed all our worms.

The way I see it, foraged items will be the beginning only. After you have 1-5% (guesstimate) purity worms, shove them in a bin and let them work on producing humus. Use humus for fields and potted plants. Get better crops/plants. Feed new generation of worms (if you have two different armies then that's probably ideal) the more pure leftover plants/crops.

Rinse.
Repeat.

At least it's a nice theory.

[Burseig]

At least it's a nice theory.

That s what I had in mind aswell.
I just wanted to say that if seeds are not eaten, and ear of cereal also, then cereals is useless form Worm farming.
For cotton it s probably the same.
What about corn?

That let us with pumkin and cabbage.
We could use potted plants, but it's too long for a very low production (better with horticulture but still).

[Wournos]

Pumpkins seems to be the best option, yes. They give plenty of flesh while potted plants use up way too much humus to seem efficient.
I'm not sure about corn. Others have said their purity have been broken before the purity update, and I don't know if that has been fixed.

Does cabbage work then? I think I read that they don't.

[Erunildo]

Here's the list of what they eat

http://salemwiki.info/index.php/Any_Plant

For now,pumpkin flesh is indeed the only way to go for higher purities. Corn,cabbage don't work. I think however that worms are there just to give a bonus to the humus. Bin purity is far more important (i think).

[Burseig]

Using this equation a 99.9 alchemy bin will produce a 46,51 humus (still without any worm).

Quoting an eminent specialist in humus purity, we can see that Worms still have an important role to play.

[Erunildo]

Well, i am mostly talking for lower purities. If you have 100% efficiency with 100% pythons,yeah they play an important role. Those purities however will take years to be reached. For now though,i think it's better to focus on bin purity rather than spending a lot of time with worms. Anyway,that's what i do since feeding worms annoys me:P

Also,with higher purity bins you should be able to spawn higher purity worms,no? I don't know however if they spawn neutral or take some of the bin purity.

[vitaalt]

Well, i am mostly talking for lower purities. If you have 100% efficiency with 100% pythons,yeah they play an important role. Those purities however will take years to be reached. For now though,i think it's better to focus on bin purity rather than spending a lot of time with worms. Anyway,that's what i do since feeding worms annoys me:P

Also,with higher purity bins you should be able to spawn higher purity worms,no? I don't know however if they spawn neutral or take some of the bin purity.

Just one thing...how can u grind up bin purity without better humus?
I didn't have forestry skill before the bin and worm patch, so now my only option seems to be babysitting the worms for better humus [like 30.16 ]
then use the humus to grind up tree for above 0% bin.....

I am also sick of feeding worms, so I just let them stave in the containers today

[Erunildo]

Well at the beginning you use whatever you have. I started with 4% lead pots and lead water which gave me some lead trees. Built a bin,put some ****** lead worms and used the humus to make new trees. And you do that again and again. I raised it to 1% (how long has it been from the bin update,3 weeks?) and i am hoping that it will be a little faster now.

I really think they should speed up some of the steps,either it's the time trees need to grow or the feeding of worms,but currently it's taking too much time. And most importantly the process is boring,you keep doing the same thing and destroying bins again and again for very little gain. And i am not even talking about actually building bins to use on your fields,that would be another pain in the ass.


P.s i just saw you don't have forestry skill. Well good luck feeding your worms:P

[lachlaan]

It's all about the water tbh, and the pots. That's where people need to start the purity grind without pre-existing purity resources. Farm same high element granite, lime, water and clay(if the clay you find is higher in that element than your water). Also find a forageable plant node that has the highest purity you can find in the element you want, camp it and run around with forage on and feed that to any worms you might have. Now, between the worms and the pot, and the high element water you should get increases of about 1-2 in the element you chose, and that's where you start. Plant lots of cuttings when you start out using similar pots and water and humus so you mitigate the failure chance and so you take advantage of the slight random bonuses your trees might get. Past that point there's just a lot of waiting involved, and a lot of worm feeding and node hunting. Unless you already have a 7-8-9-10% pure water node, and similar lime/granite foraging nodes, you always have work you can do to improve the purity of your next generation of trees and subsequently next generation of humus. It's a lot of work, but keep in mind that 10-20% pure stuff is basically the end-game purity after you take the older high purity resources out of the equation. Whenever the game releases that'll be the highest we can ever stride for in a reasonable amount of time, and we should start getting excited about +2 lead value improvements rather than +2% purity improvements

Also, Erunildo just posted before me, beating me to the advice! And his post will make me derail a bit, so sorry about that. Could you PM me what purity water/granite/lime you have that are lead, Erunildo? I can trade for some merc stuff since I saw you need that