TL;DR: The Thread

[Claeyt]

A bit surprised it appeared on HnH forums, instead of here, and noone has reposted it.
Original post: http://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/vie ... =7&t=31942

Shameless copy-paste:

I really hope you do something about your insecure, unprofessional, inadequate moderators before giving Salem a second go. Half the reason you're not with Paradox anymore is because I had a few chats with the higher-ups about your company's blatant support of racism, bigotry, and homophobia.

I get that you guys are pretty laid back but surely you're intelligent enough to see what a detriment to your financial success your forums moderators are (or will be, should you try your hands at Salem again).

I mean really, how much interest do you think you'll get when images like this surface around the web? http://i.imgur.com/qBJPypu.png

Shape up, please. I really don't want Salem to fail a second time but your unethical community moderation is going to cause you problems. I'd really hate to pass this kind of filth along to my buddy Rod Breslau at Gamespot for review purposes.

On the other hand, get some new moderators that actually have experience and know what they're doing - instead of some angsty teenagers with power trips - and maybe your next Salem trailer can get featured on the front page of Twitch.tv, or perhaps a very favorable review will show up on Gamespot and IGN.

You know... hypothetically.

Do you honestly believe for one second that I care in the slightest about what some corporate industry website or other, where your political connections and a blowjob can supposedly get me a good review, writes about anything? I find it comedic to the point of tragedy that you even dare speak of professional behavior and in the same breath imply that I can accrue political favor or disfavor with dark and shadowy powers-that-be by doing or not doing something or other.

In the spirit of professionalism your ****** e-mail goes on the forums for teh lulz.

Seatribe does, for the record, not condone or in any way lend any support to the (lack of) principles (of) liberalism, jacobinism, illuminism or any other sort of crypto-marxist newspeak designed to undermine the fundamental tenants of Christian civilization through the processes of ideological subversion. The company believes in freedom of speech, a healthy sense of humour, and the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation.

God save the King.

Well now we know why Paradox dropped them.

Wonder if any other game company will let them dev for them after saying this stuff.

I've known plenty of people who've dropped the game because of Jorb's political views, some of us forget that Jorb's political rant in the thread here happened weeks before Paradox made it's decision to let them go.

[TeckXKnight]

Seatribe does, for the record, not condone or in any way lend any support to the (lack of) principles (of) liberalism, jacobinism, illuminism or any other sort of crypto-marxist newspeak designed to undermine the fundamental tenants of Christian civilization through the processes of ideological subversion. The company believes in freedom of speech, a healthy sense of humour, and the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation.

God save the King.

Well now we know why Paradox dropped them.

Wonder if any other game company will let them dev for them after saying this stuff.

I've known plenty of people who've dropped the game because of Jorb's political views, some of us forget that Jorb's political rant in the thread here happened weeks before Paradox made it's decision to let them go.

This happened after the fact by a few weeks. I'm not sure that saying that you don't do backroom deals really gets you blacklisted in anything but the shadiest of businesses. Most companies like transparency with their employees and their dealings.

I'm also not sure that making a joke about Rome post-15th and pre-17th century really counts as being in bad taste politically. =)

[Claeyt]

Seatribe does, for the record, not condone or in any way lend any support to the (lack of) principles (of) liberalism, jacobinism, illuminism or any other sort of crypto-marxist newspeak designed to undermine the fundamental tenants of Christian civilization through the processes of ideological subversion. The company believes in freedom of speech, a healthy sense of humour, and the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation.

God save the King.

This happened after the fact by a few weeks. I'm not sure that saying that you don't do backroom deals really gets you blacklisted in anything but the shadiest of businesses. Most companies like transparency with their employees and their dealings.

I'm also not sure that making a joke about Rome post-15th and pre-17th century really counts as being in bad taste politically. =)

This happened well before Paradox dropped them back in these forums. Jorb's rants here occurred about a month before they dropped them. Here are some of them I posted on HnH's forum about it.

And you 2 wonder why you were dropped by Paradox. I doubt it had anything to do about not allowing a 3rd dev, or the pace of the game development.

I wonder if Totallymoo was gay, I wonder if anyone at Paradox was black, or brown, or muslim, I wonder if there were any women working there. I wonder if while the riots were happening in your own country as Paradox told you they were dropping you, if you wondered or made the connection between your own political thoughts and those riots. I wonder what could have been, if you instead stayed within and protected the standards of decency of your country and the human condition. I wonder if you do fear the future so much that you would take up arms Jorb. I wonder.

I also talked to some people that quit Salem over your rants Jorb. Some of them were pros in the gaming world. Some of them were in companies that could have published your game, or hired you in the future, but because your political views and societal views are so out of step with the world, they probably won't hire you now. Paradox also responded by email to some people (not me) back when, who complained about your views Jorb, I wonder if that had anything to do with your getting dropped.

But hey, you don't care do you, freedom of speech no matter what it makes another person feel like. Let's not mod basic racism or homophobia or whatever, because everybody's entitled to whatever ***** they want to say. Let's not enforce common decency on the forums even tho we control the mods. How did that go over with Paradox guys.

Here are some comments from this thread and the other that will never get you rehired if the company you apply to checks out these forums. Amazingly some of them happened about a month before Paradox dropped you. I wonder if you had any conversations about them with the Paradox higher ups.

What edifices of behaviors or morality do you believe progressives tore down and deconstructed?

I find the public expressions of modernity to be shallow, vain, stale, technocratic, petty, animalistic, lonely, ugly, egotistic, spiritually lacking and devoid of meaning, and feel instead far more comfortable in what I perceive to be the vertically oriented, familial, richer, fuller, and more integrated world view and symbolism of what can broadly be described as the old order, that is to say traditional, Christian and Monarchical European societies as they appeared -- rooted in the soil of their making -- before the murderous ravages of the 20th century. When I lament Jacobin deconstruction, it is precisely the deconstruction of traditional, legitimate authority and natural order I lament, i.e. the systematic subversion of symbols such as those of -- most visibly -- throne and altar, and their replacement instead with the symbols of money and the guillotine, that is to say corporate neo-mercantilism and democracy.

I do not believe in democracy, nor in human equality before any yardstick other than God. The forms, concepts, expressions and internal contradictions of liberal secular religion and theology are not mine, and I take no interest in them. I consider beauty to be an objective category, and a human value of no lesser an importance than that of truth or justice.

I believe that God in his image made men and women separate and distinct. I recognize the fundamental distinctness of archetypes such as 'Mother' and 'Father', and I do not believe that human life or understanding is served by reducing such wondrous categories of structured reality to an undifferentiated muddle of indistinct chaos, i.e. "equality". It follows that I feel no particular compulsion to treat men and women "equally", but on the contrary always with respect for the fullness and integrity of their persons.

I consider any assertion of equality as a value to be incompatible with the recognition of human personhood and personality; the fundamental, manifold expressions of harmonious -- that is to say differentiated and fundamentally unequal -- reality, and the most beautiful qualities of the human condition.

I believe it virtuous to put kith and kin before strangers.
I do not consider fornication to be the apex of human personal achievement.

All flesh is hay.

I literally just lost every ounce of respect I had for you as a human being.

You are a repulsive ***** cancer and I sincerely hope you are sterile because the last thing this world needs is more anti-progressive god-fearing nutbags like you.

You ***** disgust me.

Progressive tolerance in action. The bastard child of universal suffrage and public education. ^^

(Though it deserves to be mentioned that feudalism does have an undeservedly bad reputation. Serfs kept some 3/4:s of their earnings, which is obviously quite the leap up from the inverse proportion that my overlords allow me to keep.)

Whoever wins, you can be certain that the Bohemian Grove, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg group, and the Council on Foreign Relations are still in session.

Political power grows from the barrel of a gun. Politics is the means by which one interest dominates another interest and enforces its own will through the ultimate and undeniable adjudication of physical force. The ultimate expression of politics is War. It can be dressed in nice clothing, turned into constitutions and parliaments and prettied up to reduce the instances of violent resolution, but at the end of the day the political market always clears and settles debts in violence.

Man is the wolf of man.

You tell me that I should give up **** -- my supposed "white privilege" -- in order to be nice?

***** nice.

You can't hurt a Swede by calling him bad, because that's precisely what we aspire to. If you wanted to hurt me, you'd have to call me out for being better than someone somehow; I would then have to vehemently defend myself as worse.

shut up ******

Behold, indeed, another example where the use of "******" is not actually used to insult homosexuals for being homosexuals.

If anyone wanted to complain that the comment is immature or uncalled for, I would not necessarily disagree, but if you come ranting about kLauE enforcing his cis-privileges and the patriarchy's rape-culture, I might consider having yo ass for it.

On the third hand, it can perfectly well also be argued that being all butthurt about seeing "******" being used on the Internet is just as (if not more) immature as using it, and that one should be trolled a bit into a state of lesser sensitivity. The balance is not always obvious, and I don't think there's any example solution to every conflict related thereto.

Jorb, Loftar:

Dev the games, open your mind, don't fear the future, accept that words hurt and can be outside common decency and should be clipped if this forum is part of society.

If not.....then you'll remain in exile.

[Ass_Kraken]

I've known plenty of people who've dropped the game because of Jorb's political views, some of us forget that Jorb's political rant in the thread here happened weeks before Paradox made it's decision to let them go.

Do you mean players drop a game because of the dev's political views? Sounds like that game is better off without them.

[Claeyt]

I've known plenty of people who've dropped the game because of Jorb's political views, some of us forget that Jorb's political rant in the thread here happened weeks before Paradox made it's decision to let them go.

Do you mean players drop a game because of the dev's political views? Sounds like that game is better off without them.

It probably is, but that's not how game companies work. They generally want more people to play the game and stay away from politics.

[colesie]

I've known plenty of people who've dropped the game because of Jorb's political views, some of us forget that Jorb's political rant in the thread here happened weeks before Paradox made it's decision to let them go.

Do you mean players drop a game because of the dev's political views? Sounds like that game is better off without them.

[jwhitehorn]

It probably is, but that's not how game companies work. They generally want more people to play the game and stay away from politics.

Most game companies also sell out to the the masses providing the product that people think they want in lieu of doing something different or revolutionary. To compare Salem or SeaTribe to "most" games or companies would be as offensive to their individuality and what they stand for and any attempt to silence or suppress their views would do nothing more than close a window into the minds that are capable of delivering the public a product despite all odds and societal roadblocks that would stop 99.9% of those who tried.

The Great Spirit understands that while the idea of equality may have liberated a few countries and enlightened a few generations it has now become the bane of our evolution. The idea that somehow in our imperfect world along with all the RNG of life and genetics two people could ever truly be "equal" is comical. Our species ascended the food chains of our environment equipped with little more than logical thinking and "instinct". How ironic that today when you instinctualy 2nd guess walking down that dark alley with that large (insert ethnic group) man staring down at you ominously you instead shrug off a millennium of evolution for a century of political correctness hating yourself for "judging" someone. It is only after you are mugged or raped that you begin to understand that there is more value in the unspoken truths of most stereotypes than the warm and fuzzy feeling of being "colorblind".

To acknowledge the fundamental differences between our races or sexes does not immediately condemn us to a life of Racism or Sexism. It is possible to admire and even love that which is not equal and *gasp* even inferior to you whether that inferiority be rooted intellectually, cosmetically, genetically, or otherwise. For all the reasons that most females could never hope to dictate a country or organization your average male could never truly nurture new life. A woman is the giver of life and mother of all. In most Tribes they are respected far more than any Male for their ability to selflessly commit themselves to the well-being of our future generations. So it is with much affection and for their own well-being and the well-being of our species that I humbly request that those advocating equality, position themselves in their natural habitat.... The Kitchen.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

[Dallane]

I've known plenty of people who've dropped the game because of Jorb's political views, some of us forget that Jorb's political rant in the thread here happened weeks before Paradox made it's decision to let them go.

Do you mean players drop a game because of the dev's political views? Sounds like that game is better off without them.

He claims to know more then he actually does. Salem has failed due to jorbs political views and my forum posting. gg

[jorb]

Things

[colesie]

It probably is, but that's not how game companies work. They generally want more people to play the game and stay away from politics.

Most game companies also sell out to the the masses providing the product that people think they want in lieu of doing something different or revolutionary. To compare Salem or SeaTribe to "most" games or companies would be as offensive to their individuality and what they stand for and any attempt to silence or suppress their views would do nothing more than close a window into the minds that are capable of delivering the public a product despite all odds and societal roadblocks that would stop 99.9% of those who tried.

The Great Spirit understands that while the idea of equality may have liberated a few countries and enlightened a few generations it has now become the bane of our evolution. The idea that somehow in our imperfect world along with all the RNG of life and genetics two people could ever truly be "equal" is comical. Our species ascended the food chains of our environment equipped with little more than logical thinking and "instinct". How ironic that today when you instinctualy 2nd guess walking down that dark alley with that large (insert ethnic group) man staring down at you ominously you instead shrug off a millennium of evolution for a century of political correctness hating yourself for "judging" someone. It is only after you are mugged or raped that you begin to understand that there is more value in the unspoken truths of most stereotypes than the warm and fuzzy feeling of being "colorblind".

To acknowledge the fundamental differences between our races or sexes does not immediately condemn us to a life of Racism or Sexism. It is possible to admire and even love that which is not equal and *gasp* even inferior to you whether that inferiority be rooted intellectually, cosmetically, genetically, or otherwise. For all the reasons that most females could never hope to dictate a country or organization your average male could never truly nurture new life. A woman is the giver of life and mother of all. In most Tribes they are respected far more than any Male for their ability to selflessly commit themselves to the well-being of our future generations. So it is with much affection and for their own well-being and the well-being of our species that I humbly request that those advocating equality, position themselves in their natural habitat.... The Kitchen.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

Only post you've ever made that has made me laugh