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Re: Net neutrality

Postby Dallane » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:51 am

DarkNacht wrote:That existed before net neutrality and has nothing to do with it. That is regulated by the same laws that have alway prevented there from being more than one cable/electricity/ect. company in an area.


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Re: Net neutrality

Postby DarkNacht » Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:48 pm

Dallane wrote:
DarkNacht wrote:That existed before net neutrality and has nothing to do with it. That is regulated by the same laws that have alway prevented there from being more than one cable/electricity/ect. company in an area.


lol okkkkkkkkkkk
Sure, remember how before Obama ever city had several overlapping cable companies? No?
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Re: Net neutrality

Postby Teoki » Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:32 am

Darwoth wrote:
Teoki wrote: They only ban websites with cigarettes (managed by the state), firearms (thankfully illegal) and public torrent websites (just to avoid international troubles) but only at a DNS level so in few seconds you can permanently bypass it (and it is legal to do that).


so then as with most others overseas your internet is also censored and you have to work around the blocks if you wish to have freedom of choice on which sites you can visit like i said. judging by the tone of your post though it would appear you do not mind being a subject instead of a citizen =(

no wonder you italian fellows throw people in jail for not predicting earthquakes.


If you consider that censorship then every government in the world does at least the same, including the U.S. Against copyright infringement more than most so I guess you are subject too.
A bit more prospective or knowledge about the internet and it would have been harder to change the neutrality but it can be said the same about the Trump election and many other things, so...

The earthquake news is not true but I know that you just read a title and repeated it here. Like most things, is hardly so black and white to be able to summarize it with a sentence.
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Re: Net neutrality

Postby Darwoth » Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:49 am

Teoki wrote:
If you consider that censorship then every government in the world does at least the same, including the U.S. Against copyright infringement more than most so I guess you are subject too.
A bit more prospective or knowledge about the internet and it would have been harder to change the neutrality but it can be said the same about the Trump election and many other things, so...

The earthquake news is not true but I know that you just read a title and repeated it here. Like most things, is hardly so black and white to be able to summarize it with a sentence.



umm, no that is the whole point :lol:

"every government in the world" in europe might censor the internet or everywhere in the world in general who knows. but not in the united states. i can view any website i want without doing **** except typing in the url. whereas you apparently can not even view a cigarette add, firearms forum, torrent site (none of which are blocked here by the way, rather a handful of people running the larger sites have been sued or prosecuted after years of stealing hundreds of millions worth of material) and undoubtedly tens of thousands of others you have no clue about.

what do you mean the earthquake **** isnt true?

ROME — Seven prominent Italian earthquake experts were convicted of manslaughter on Monday and sentenced to six years in prison for failing to give adequate warning to the residents of a seismically active area in the months preceding an earthquake that killed more than 300 people.

Speaking in a hushed courtroom in L’Aquila, the city whose historic center was gutted by the April 2009 earthquake, the judge, Marco Billi, read a long list of names of those who had died or been injured in the disaster before he handed down the sentences to six scientists and a former government official. The defendants, who said they would appeal the decision, will also have to pay court costs and damages of $10.2 million.

The seven, most of them seismologists and geologists, were members of the National Commission for the Forecast and Prevention of Major Risks, which met shortly before the quake struck — after weeks of frequent small tremors — but did not issue a safety warning.

The verdicts jolted the international scientific community, which feared they might open the way to an onslaught of legal actions against scientists who evaluate the risks of natural hazards. “This is the death of public service on the part of professors and professionals,” said Luciano Maiani, the current president of the risks commission, according to the news agency Ansa. The legal and media pressure prompted by the trial have made it impossible to carry out professional consultancies for the state, he said, adding, “This doesn’t happen anywhere else in the world.”



Seven Italian scientists who faced jail for failing to predict a deadly 2009 earthquake were cleared Monday of manslaughter convictions that had sparked international outrage

The seven men were sentenced to six years in jail in October 2012 after a court in the medieval town of L'Aquila found them guilty of causing multiple deaths by having negligently downplayed the risk of the town being hit by a major earthquake just days before the killer tremor struck in April 2009.

But after a month-long appeal trial in the mountain town east of Rome, that verdict was overturned by a panel of three judges which concluded that six of the seven had committed no crime.


the above did not happen eh? like your internet isnt censored?

it takes all of 2 seconds to hit google and come up with 100 different newspapers that still have the storym does not make a ***** if they managed to appeal, the fact that it happened in the first place is absurd.

maybe those are all blocked to over there in north koritaly?
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Re: Net neutrality

Postby Teoki » Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:55 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_ ... ted_States
a website with... children is "censored", as it should be.

and try to upload a movie on youtube and see how many seconds will last

The blocked urls are only sellers of cigarettes or firearms.. we can talk about them as much as we want.
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Re: Net neutrality

Postby Darwoth » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:09 am

Teoki wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_United_States

and try to upload a movie on youtube and see how many seconds will last



oh give me a ***** break :lol:

that article is pretty much the dumbest thing you could have posted to support your argument, did you even read the first sentence?

The U.S. possesses protection of freedom of speech and expression against federal, state, and local government censorship; a right protected by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. These protections extend to the Internet



or the list of "censorships" from "reporters without borders"? :lol: :lol: :lol: it is all pretty much centered around keeing child molestors and their predation off of the internet, the rest of the article was a bunch of foreign crybabies whining that the country that invented the internet can decrypt it and uses surveillance to track people like taipion that want to blow themselves up everytime someone insults soccer or anime. there is not a singular existing website here coming through icann that is censored. in comparison we have already established numerous entire categories of "types" of websites that you can not access which alone make up tens of thousands of legitimate websites.

and YOUTUBE deleting copyrighted **** off of their website so they do not get sued for millions by a movie company is YOUTUBE making a decision about what to allow on YOUTUBE, personally if i want to watch a movie i rent the ***** thing instead of trying to steal it like a loser that cant spend 2 dollars for a product that cost over a hundred million to make on average, however if i was a ***** i could easily hop over to any torrent site that had it and get it there. which of course you are telling me i cant while trying to transition into comparing apples and oranges because you lost the debate.
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Re: Net neutrality

Postby TotalyMeow » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:13 am

You DO realize that copyright infringement and censorship are entirely different things, right?

On the subject of Youtube, there is censorship of certain things, like pro-conservative videos, but that is entirely the actions of Google, a liberal-leaning corporation who have decided they don't approve of free speech. But that's a private company, not the government. It's entirely wrong, what they are doing, but it isn't government censorship.
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Re: Net neutrality

Postby Teoki » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:18 am

You read proof and call it dumb, you pick and choose single words to "win" the argument.. but I'm not surprised: the ability to listen and to reason is not so common.
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Re: Net neutrality

Postby Darwoth » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:26 am

im trying real hard to not just call you a ***** but your making it incredibly difficult.

you did not provide proof, proof is what i provided you when i gave you news articles of things that happened in your own country, gave you a sample website to try (and since when i posted it there was almost 30 guests reading the thread yet not one foreigner chimed in to say they could view the sample site im guessing most others couldnt either) you then ceded that you can not access a number of "types" of websites. you provided a wikipedia article complaining about decryption and surveillance which is not censorship, you complained about other peoples property being pulled by the private company that owns the website and child porn being disallowed.

once again, anything registered with icann i can view. you can not. it is really pretty damn simple i dont understand why you would rather have a futile and losing argument with me over continually revised semantics instead of being pissed off your internet is censored.
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Re: Net neutrality

Postby Teoki » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:33 am

TotalyMeow wrote:You DO realize that copyright infringement and censorship are entirely different things, right?

On the subject of Youtube, there is censorship of certain things, like pro-conservative videos, but that is entirely the actions of Google, a liberal-leaning corporation who have decided they don't approve of free speech. But that's a private company, not the government. It's entirely wrong, what they are doing, but it isn't government censorship.


From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship
"Internet censorship is control or suppression of the publishing or accessing of information on the Internet. It may be carried out by governments or by private organizations either at the behest of government or on their own initiative."

I agree with that definition and yes, copyright infringement laws are not censorship strictly speaking but they lead to the suppression of information.
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