Darwoth wrote:i do not disagree that the nightmare happening in europe is by design and for a long time, it has to be since anyone not in a coma understands that islam is incompatible with western society
I do not disagree that Islam is invasive and dangerous
. However I try to avoid blaming them for what they are, like I would not blame tigers for being dangerous. They just happen to be useful for certain kind of power politics.
Darwoth wrote:step by step process that has been used to erode and ultimately destroy a civilization many times through history.
I'd rather say this process usually happened naturally in the history as a result of well being*) of general population and corruption and alienation of the ruling caste. But I am indeed under impression this process is now driven and helped to progress faster and with more controllable results.
*) well being as not having to fight for survival daily. Basic guaranteed income anyone ?
Darwoth wrote:but i do not live in europe so i am clueless to the politics there and why + you are not elaborating much.
In short: Some 70% population of Poland do not want to accept immigrants and the current government does not want either. Same story in Czech and Hungary. Beurocrats want to distribute incoming immigrants over the whole EU. The official narrative is (for EU in general):
- we need to solidarize with displaced people,
- we need young people to make up for slowing natural growth (!),
-we need employees since there is not enough workforce.
Now,
- they fail to explain why nothing was done to help these people in their countries before they had to emigrate as that would be more efficient and helpful for a large part of them (not to mention removing the need to migrate, obviously),
- they did not ask us if we want to be replaced, and pro EU parties are opposing attempts to promote having kids, as well as are supporting all movements to undermine family.
- they fail to realize there is still unemployment in Central Europe higher than in the western part and lots of people are still travelling west to work.
So it is huge, smelly ***** for most of us here.
As for the short term politics it looks simple: both in Hungary and in Poland there are "wrong" governments since "EU friends" were voted out and current governments are doing better job than previous ones, eliminating strongholds of previous ruling party in administration. Any kind of bashing and derailing is then highly desired from EU perspective. As for Czech - no idea, they always used to walk their own path and used to be "smart opportunists" *), but obviously they realized where the wind is blowing.
*) Again: can't blame them. There are usually not much options to choose from for such a small nation.
Darwoth wrote:either way though as i have said several times my argument has been about islam not european politics or destabilisation as it is a worldwide issue not just a european one.
I think EU + NA it's mostly about scaring general population into submission and passing a number of Orwellian laws. Partially it is Saudi Arabia, other Gulf monarchies and possibly Turkey (each separately) proselytism and power politics.
Middle East and Asia - it's mostly power politics and mostly between Muslim countries.
Darwoth wrote: with regard to your link naturally the socialists are going to do whatever they can to pressure poland into cutting their own throat like the other european countries have done, hopefully poland manages to erase decades of "dumb pollock" jokes by holding firm and refusing.
The funny part is these immigrants do not even want to stay here. There is group of people, some 700 people in 2017 only (Chechen mostly) who were brought back here forcibly. So, you know, "we can't take away their liberty, that would be politically incorrect".