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Re: so who was it now?

Postby Procne » Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:19 pm

Heffernan wrote:
TotalyMeow wrote:Heffernan, banning a religion has never in the history of the world ever worked. A ban is simply not the solution and will make things worse.


if a """Religion""" teaches people its ok to Stone Woman, Rape Babies, Genital Hurt Woman, Throw Gays of Buildings, murder disbelievers, Threat Woman like Animals etc... is it really a religion? Islam and the Book of Quran seems to serve the only purpose to Destroy all other Religions. thats why i said id ratehr see it as Terrorist Organisation.

Did you ever read Old Testament? You will find similar stuff there, and yet the book is still part of the Bible (and a base for Judaism as well). It's not a matter of religion, but a matter of culture. Even if you remove Islam the people you want to get rid of will still be the same people - aggressive murderers, brought up / brainwashed by other murderers.

The added result will be that peaceful muslims, living normal life in your country, will suddenly face a choice - either submit and renounce their beliefs, or admit that radicals were right and that "rotten west wants to destroy Islam", at which point they radicalize as well. With their old life taken away, nowhere to go, they will be blowing themselves up left and right.
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Re: so who was it now?

Postby TotalyMeow » Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:21 pm

Heffernan wrote:
TotalyMeow wrote:Heffernan, banning a religion has never in the history of the world ever worked. A ban is simply not the solution and will make things worse.


if a """Religion""" teaches people its ok to Stone Woman, Rape Babies, Genital Hurt Woman, Throw Gays of Buildings, murder disbelievers, Threat Woman like Animals etc... is it really a religion? Islam and the Book of Quran seems to serve the only purpose to Destroy all other Religions. thats why i said id ratehr see it as Terrorist Organisation.


The difficulty here is that the religion and the politics is basically the same thing for them, and a lot of what you just mentioned is the political stance of their countries, not exactly the religion itself. It used to be that way in Europe with the Pope having as much power as any king and actually being able to force kings to do his bidding with the threat of things like excommunication and religion being very much a power in the government and a deciding factor in lawmaking. And there was a lot about Europe that sucked when that was the case. It's the same with the Muslim religion now versus the Islamic state. But Europe pulled itself out of that morass and the Middle East can do it too. Like Procne said, it's going to take something of a culture shift. and it really seriously is something that other countries need to encourage. Leaving them be because it's not 'politically correct' to interfere in someone else's culture like some people are trying to say is just idiotic. Attitudes like that are what's getting us things like "Little Islam" sectors in cities where the police can't even safely go.
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Re: so who was it now?

Postby Chrumps » Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:24 pm

Darwoth wrote:might start with stopping the current invasion of third world muslims from war torn ***** into your countries.

stop giving them free money, food, housing, clothes, everything? :lol: :lol: :lol:

after that things like gang rapes and crowd beatings might get more punishment than probation?

you might stop persecuting your own citizens for standing up for themselves thus encouraging your men to be men and to grow a backbone again?

get rid of your moronic gun laws so that even the 105 pound swedish blonde can defend herself against the roving pack of jihadi tribe orcs?

Well, that's the point where I can agree with you.
Though it can be done without bashing Islam, since these things are stupid on their own.
TotalyMeow wrote:The difficulty here is that the religion and the politics is basically the same thing for them, and a lot of what you just mentioned is the political stance of their countries, not exactly the religion itself. It used to be that way in Europe with the Pope having as much power as any king and actually being able to force kings to do his bidding with the threat of things like excommunication and religion being very much a power in the government and a deciding factor in lawmaking. And there was a lot about Europe that sucked when that was the case. It's the same with the Muslim religion now versus the Islamic state. But Europe pulled itself out of that morass and the Middle East can do it too. Like Procne said, it's going to take something of a culture shift. and it really seriously is something that other countries need to encourage. Leaving them be because it's not 'politically correct' to interfere in someone else's culture like some people are trying to say is just idiotic. Attitudes like that are what's getting us things like "Little Islam" sectors in cities where the police can't even safely go.


It's not about a culture shift, it's about losing power. A culture shift is a consequence.
There is politics of power going on which is using Islam as a tool, that is both a casus belli and a motivation to project armed power where conventional armies cannot operate.
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Re: so who was it now?

Postby Heffernan » Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:25 pm

Procne wrote:
Heffernan wrote:
TotalyMeow wrote:Heffernan, banning a religion has never in the history of the world ever worked. A ban is simply not the solution and will make things worse.


if a """Religion""" teaches people its ok to Stone Woman, Rape Babies, Genital Hurt Woman, Throw Gays of Buildings, murder disbelievers, Threat Woman like Animals etc... is it really a religion? Islam and the Book of Quran seems to serve the only purpose to Destroy all other Religions. thats why i said id ratehr see it as Terrorist Organisation.

Did you ever read Old Testament? You will find similar stuff there, and yet the book is still part of the Bible (and a base for Judaism as well). It's not a matter of religion, but a matter of culture. Even if you remove Islam the people you want to get rid of will still be the same people - aggressive murderers, brought up / brainwashed by other murderers.

The added result will be that peaceful muslims, living normal life in your country, will suddenly face a choice - either submit and renounce their beliefs, or admit that radicals were right and that "rotten west wants to destroy Islam", at which point they radicalize as well. With their old life taken away, nowhere to go, they will be blowing themselves up left and right.


i know the Bible reads similar, but people over the world stopped doing stuff like the Inquisition on the name of the Bible around 500 years ago, how long till Islam stops following their book of evil? atleast 500 years ago when Europe said "Covert or die" we had Swords now Islam has bombs, Trucks, Machineguns and similar to force us to Convert.

we need to stop the islam from forcing us into there religion, they cn live it out oif they want i n peace but no forcings onto disbelievers woman and children.
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Re: so who was it now?

Postby Dallane » Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:32 pm

Procne wrote:Did you ever read Old Testament? You will find similar stuff there, and yet the book is still part of the Bible (and a base for Judaism as well).


Comparing the Old Testament to what is happening with islam is retarded. Last I checked Christians are not out there driving through crowds with a truck of peace or blowing themselves up to collect virgins. Last time I went to church we talked about love and acceptance not planning the next attack and indoctrinating the kids.

We have to start cracking down on the extremist. We have to stop piling them all up in the same location and giving them a free paycheck. We know what mosque are training these people and can see their connections back home. We know ahead of time who is a terrorist and who isn't. Look at the last london terrorist. He was on a real documentary that they are trying to ban before his attack. Start raiding these places and removing the real terrorist. There have been WAY to many cases where the governments know of these people and nothing is done. PC culture has made us weak as *****. Ban sharia law in the US. There are a ton of things that can happen to help stop these people from slaughtering innocent people.
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Re: so who was it now?

Postby Procne » Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:39 pm

Dallane wrote:Last I checked Christians are not out there driving through crowds with a truck of peace or blowing themselves up to collect virgins. Last time I went to church we talked about love and acceptance not planning the next attack and indoctrinating the kids.

Exactly my point. Our culture and what people we are isn't defined by some verses in some book. Our culture affects both how those verses are interpreted and what people we are.
We have to start cracking down on the extremist. We have to stop piling them all up in the same location and giving them a free paycheck. We know what mosque are training these people and can see their connections back home. We know ahead of time who is a terrorist and who isn't. Look at the last london terrorist. He was on a real documentary that they are trying to ban before his attack. Start raiding these places and removing the real terrorist. There have been WAY to many cases where the governments know of these people and nothing is done. PC culture has made us weak as *****. Ban sharia law in the US. There are a ton of things that can happen to help stop these people from slaughtering innocent people.

This is a good example of "these poeple are doing criminal stuff, so they should be hunted and jailed" and it makes sense.
Versus "Islam is bad so muslims should be hunted and jailed"
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Re: so who was it now?

Postby Darwoth » Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:57 pm

does not matter how much you want to just mind your own business if the other guy refuses to mind his.

the simple reality is that there is no amicable solution and that everything that is happening these past few years is just the beginning and will get worse and worse all over the world, it is easy for people to speculate how islam could revise itself like the other religions did.

trouble is part of islam is to chop off anyones head who would draw a cartoon of mohammad much less dare suggest revising any aspect of it :lol:

eventually whether it be tomorrow or 300 years from now the islamic faith will be the party that instigates "armageddon" between islam and the rest of the world.
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Re: so who was it now?

Postby Chrumps » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:02 pm

Here we go: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-europ ... KKBN19313G
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Can you see intentional destabilization ?
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Re: so who was it now?

Postby Darwoth » Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:35 pm

i do not disagree that the nightmare happening in europe is by design and for a long time, it has to be since anyone not in a coma understands that islam is incompatible with western society and before islam took root there were decades of disarmament of the populace with draconian punishment of any aggressive behavior or thoughts/words, from the outside looking in it is the same step by step process that has been used to erode and ultimately destroy a civilization many times through history. but i do not live in europe so i am clueless to the politics there and why + you are not elaborating much.

either way though as i have said several times my argument has been about islam not european politics or destabilisation as it is a worldwide issue not just a european one. with regard to your link naturally the socialists are going to do whatever they can to pressure poland into cutting their own throat like the other european countries have done, hopefully poland manages to erase decades of "dumb pollock" jokes by holding firm and refusing.
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Re: so who was it now?

Postby Chrumps » Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:03 pm

Darwoth wrote:i do not disagree that the nightmare happening in europe is by design and for a long time, it has to be since anyone not in a coma understands that islam is incompatible with western society

I do not disagree that Islam is invasive and dangerous ;) . However I try to avoid blaming them for what they are, like I would not blame tigers for being dangerous. They just happen to be useful for certain kind of power politics.

Darwoth wrote:step by step process that has been used to erode and ultimately destroy a civilization many times through history.

I'd rather say this process usually happened naturally in the history as a result of well being*) of general population and corruption and alienation of the ruling caste. But I am indeed under impression this process is now driven and helped to progress faster and with more controllable results.
*) well being as not having to fight for survival daily. Basic guaranteed income anyone ?

Darwoth wrote:but i do not live in europe so i am clueless to the politics there and why + you are not elaborating much.

In short: Some 70% population of Poland do not want to accept immigrants and the current government does not want either. Same story in Czech and Hungary. Beurocrats want to distribute incoming immigrants over the whole EU. The official narrative is (for EU in general):
- we need to solidarize with displaced people,
- we need young people to make up for slowing natural growth (!),
-we need employees since there is not enough workforce.
Now,
- they fail to explain why nothing was done to help these people in their countries before they had to emigrate as that would be more efficient and helpful for a large part of them (not to mention removing the need to migrate, obviously),
- they did not ask us if we want to be replaced, and pro EU parties are opposing attempts to promote having kids, as well as are supporting all movements to undermine family.
- they fail to realize there is still unemployment in Central Europe higher than in the western part and lots of people are still travelling west to work.
So it is huge, smelly ***** for most of us here.

As for the short term politics it looks simple: both in Hungary and in Poland there are "wrong" governments since "EU friends" were voted out and current governments are doing better job than previous ones, eliminating strongholds of previous ruling party in administration. Any kind of bashing and derailing is then highly desired from EU perspective. As for Czech - no idea, they always used to walk their own path and used to be "smart opportunists" *), but obviously they realized where the wind is blowing.
*) Again: can't blame them. There are usually not much options to choose from for such a small nation.

Darwoth wrote:either way though as i have said several times my argument has been about islam not european politics or destabilisation as it is a worldwide issue not just a european one.

I think EU + NA it's mostly about scaring general population into submission and passing a number of Orwellian laws. Partially it is Saudi Arabia, other Gulf monarchies and possibly Turkey (each separately) proselytism and power politics.
Middle East and Asia - it's mostly power politics and mostly between Muslim countries.

Darwoth wrote: with regard to your link naturally the socialists are going to do whatever they can to pressure poland into cutting their own throat like the other european countries have done, hopefully poland manages to erase decades of "dumb pollock" jokes by holding firm and refusing.

The funny part is these immigrants do not even want to stay here. There is group of people, some 700 people in 2017 only (Chechen mostly) who were brought back here forcibly. So, you know, "we can't take away their liberty, that would be politically incorrect".
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