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Re: Madame President

Postby Claeyt » Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:30 pm

Chrumps wrote:
Claeyt wrote:If you think Breivik was correct then you need to take a long hard look at your views.

I nowhere said so. I only said it's your post that makes these ideas looking reasonable.


All racists and nationalists seem reasonable at first.

I highly recommend you watch this short movie (17 min) about Fascism from 1947. It talks about how fascism may seem reasonable at first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23X14HS4gLk#t=01m05s

It's a really, really interesting watch

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Claeyt wrote:[utter nonsense]

You made me check the cross on the church in my town. Thankfully it is still regular Roman Cross.
https://www.google.pl/maps/@50.0617949, ... 728!8i4864


Actually the cross on your church is a halo'd Catholic processional cross. I'm guessing it's a Cathedral and is a seat of a Bishop. The Halo'd processional Cross represents that a Bishop sits at the head of diocese there, thus it is a Cathedral and not a monastery, nunnery or other holy site. You can tell it's not the seat of an Archbishop (Archdiocese) or Cardinal by it's lack of symbols representing those seats within the Catholic Church.

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Claeyt wrote:If you somehow believe my ideas of "Democratic Socialism" are the same as Breivik's then you are really, really wrong.

Sorry snowflake to break your delusions. We have tested "democratic socialism" here. It didn't work as you claim it will. It was an oppressive regime. I live long enough to have witnessed how it worked.


'Social Democracy' and/or 'Democratic Socialism' aren't represented by the Soviet Union. All Western Countries are partly Social Democracies now. Think Sweden or France as being Social Democracies with the U.S. as being a lesser representative of Social Democracy. Democratic Socialism is slightly different in that it holds the belief that some things should be owned socially. This could mean that the state should own power plants, airports, hospitals, highways or other basic infrastructure like in the U.S. There's a mix of municipal ownership of stuff like this here. It could also mean that the state should own some means of production such as in other countries. All of this is driven by democratic rather than revolutionary change in a Social Democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
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Re: Madame President

Postby Chrumps » Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:22 pm

Claeyt wrote:[more *****]

Stop craptalking me about what Nazism is because you have no slightest idea and I cannot make a walk in my town without seeing signs of the war which was 70 years ago.
Claeyt wrote:Actually the cross on your church is a halo'd Catholic processional cross. I'm guessing it's a Cathedral and is a seat of a Bishop.

It is not a seat of bishop.
I was pointing out that your knowledge about crosses used here is detached from reality.

Claeyt wrote:'Social Democracy' and/or 'Democratic Socialism' aren't represented by the Soviet Union.

I never lived in Soviet Union. You know, crosses are different on most former SU territory.
Eastern bloc used the term "social democracy" so it was social democracy no less than your delusions are supposed to be a social democracy.
Claeyt wrote:All of this is driven by democratic rather than revolutionary change in a Social Democracy

No, it is driven by gov and non-gov propaganda.
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Re: Madame President

Postby AcidSpiral » Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:51 pm

Claeyt wrote:Actually the cross on your church is a halo'd Catholic processional cross. I'm guessing it's a Cathedral and is a seat of a Bishop. The Halo'd processional Cross represents that a Bishop sits at the head of diocese there, thus it is a Cathedral and not a monastery, nunnery or other holy site. You can tell it's not the seat of an Archbishop (Archdiocese) or Cardinal by it's lack of symbols representing those seats within the Catholic Church.


Hey Claeyt. Do you ever get tired of being wrong? 10 seconds of simple research, which we know is impossible for you, would have shown you the church is St. Mary's Basilica and everything you "guess" is incorrect. :D Also learn what a processional cross is please.
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Re: Madame President

Postby TotalyMeow » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:36 pm

It's an interesting method of argument that Claeyt uses. A very bad method, and certainly a fallacy of some sort, but interesting. He identifies Brievik as a horrible, far-right-wing, racist, neo-nazi of the type that no one would want to be associated with, and then he quotes the guy. But the quotes he chooses are not hateful or racist, they are politically very moderate and reasonable. Because no matter how crazy your overall philosophy is, or how out there your ultimate conclusions may be, at least some of your reasoning is going to be reasonable. Yet, Claeyt takes these very reasonable quoted arguments which many people would agree with and, just because this guy said them, insists that anyone who does agree must be an insane, fascist, racist and that anyone who believes those particular quotes must also be buying in to everything the guy ever said. If this guy once said he believes in God, would that be grounds to dismiss the entirety of religion? If he enjoys math, should we reject all Engineering and Physics? If he thinks we should go back into space and try to land on Mars, are we fascist who want to do exactly that?
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Re: Madame President

Postby Chrumps » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:53 pm

TotalyMeow wrote:It's an interesting method of argument that Claeyt uses. [...]

It is a standard leftist denigration by association.
See this piece by WP: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ne ... story.html
TL;DR: some guy in Ukraine defrauded money, a guy from US was involved in that so he is a bad guy, now this guy is (was) Trump's campaign chairman, ergo Trump is bad.
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Re: Antifa

Postby jakhollin » Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:32 pm

Believing that Europe or America owes anything to Refuges from countries that ***** up their own communities is just faulty thinking. This whole hold hands pretty rainbow thinking doesn't apply to Muslim culture why should it apply to ours? Every single snowflake will say that is racist but I insist it its just reality. I say we don't take refugees don't bother with the region and just get out of there. Let them blow each other up and shoot chemical weapons at each other. Starting to think that is the reason they have not put Muslims in For Honor cause someone would be offended.

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Re: Antifa

Postby Claeyt » Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:56 pm

jakhollin wrote:Believing that Europe or America owes anything to Refuges from countries that ***** up their own communities is just faulty thinking. This whole hold hands pretty rainbow thinking doesn't apply to Muslim culture why should it apply to ours? Every single snowflake will say that is racist but I insist it its just reality. I say we don't take refugees don't bother with the region and just get out of there. Let them blow each other up and shoot chemical weapons at each other. Starting to think that is the reason they have not put Muslims in For Honor cause someone would be offended.

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You'll notice in Breivik's manifesto that he says something very similar about how he's "just pointing out reality" as he sees it.

TotalyMeow wrote:It's an interesting method of argument that Claeyt uses. A very bad method, and certainly a fallacy of some sort, but interesting. He identifies Brievik as a horrible, far-right-wing, racist, neo-nazi of the type that no one would want to be associated with, and then he quotes the guy. But the quotes he chooses are not hateful or racist, they are politically very moderate and reasonable. Because no matter how crazy your overall philosophy is, or how out there your ultimate conclusions may be, at least some of your reasoning is going to be reasonable. Yet, Claeyt takes these very reasonable quoted arguments which many people would agree with and, just because this guy said them, insists that anyone who does agree must be an insane, fascist, racist and that anyone who believes those particular quotes must also be buying in to everything the guy ever said. If this guy once said he believes in God, would that be grounds to dismiss the entirety of religion? If he enjoys math, should we reject all Engineering and Physics? If he thinks we should go back into space and try to land on Mars, are we fascist who want to do exactly that?


Or...

These views are racist and you're blindly following them just like Breivik did. Most people would not view these quotes as normal points of view. Most people would see them for what they are, racist ideology that ends in violence and death for thousands. Watch the anti-fascist film Tmeow and tell me they're not dividing us by ethnicity and religion.
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Re: Antifa

Postby TotalyMeow » Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:03 pm

Chrumps wrote:
TotalyMeow wrote:It's an interesting method of argument that Claeyt uses. [...]

It is a standard leftist denigration by association.


It's really a symptom of their entire recent political model. They put everyone in groups, aka "Identity Politics". No matter who you are or how unique your ideas or situation, you MUST belong to some group and be identified and defined by them. You're Transgender, you're Gay, you're Christian, you're Black, you're a White Male, you're Right Wing. They then further complicate things by putting those groups in a hierarchy so if you're a Woman and Black, you're more worthy of listening to than if you're a Woman and White. Transgender is one of the highest "ranks" you can have, and White Male is so low that you can say things like "all white men should be killed" and leftists will praise you. It's happened on Twitter, seriously.

And anyone who can be identified as in a group can also be said to identify that group. So, for example, they pick a few crazies who can be loosely defined as "right wing", lump them in with everyone conservative, and try to define conservatism along the lines of those who even the majority of conservatives think are idiots. Or as another example, when Obama was trying to help Hillary win he once said that he’d consider it a personal insult if blacks didn’t vote for Hillary, like being black defines you as a person and you MUST be a Democrat.

The really crazy thing is how they'll so blatantly divide people along racial, cultural, sexual, and other lines, define people by which race or other group they "belong" to, and then say conservatives are the racist ones.

Claeyt wrote:These views are racist and you're blindly following them just like Breivik did. Most people would not view these quotes as normal points of view. Most people would see them for what they are, racist ideology that ends in violence and death for thousands. Watch the anti-fascist film Tmeow and tell me they're not dividing us by ethnicity and religion.


But the specific things you quoted didn't include any racist ideas or ideologies, only a couple of inflamatory buzzwords like "EUSSR". The ideas in the quotes were pretty centrist and reflected no ideologies that would in any way end of violence and death. I'm not sure which video you're referring you, you only had a few quotes, which you can't even argue effectively against.
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Re: Madame President

Postby black89hawk » Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:20 pm

Dallane wrote:
Heffernan wrote:America = when the Antifa does Violent Protests they get brutally shut down by Cops

Germany = http://pamelageller.com/2016/01/violent ... rian.html/

Now we find that these brownshirts are bring paid by their country’s Socialists (how Hitlerian). These protests are vicious and violent. The Antifa get paid €45 an hour to demonstrate for the SPD (Socialist Party in Germany). Hitler’s political party was the National Socialist Party. Same thing.


our Countrys leading Political Party is paying the Antifa to Demolate and Brutally attack police and police cars..


The only place that Antifa is safe from the police is the commie state of cuckifornia. Everywhere else they are demask and not allowed to start fighting. Check out the battle of berkley where Americans are constantly having to protect themselves and fight back liberal commie scum. It's sad that you actually have to wear body armor and shields just to go to a political rally. Else you have people like moldy locks throwing bottles into the crowd and cucks sucker punching you with bike locks.
Commies can't fight and run when someone doesn't take their ****


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Im not sure you making joke about Islam?
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Re: Madame President

Postby Heffernan » Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:30 pm

black89hawk wrote:
Im not sure you making joke about Islam?


no need for that, the islam is making a joke about himself already every day

Stoning woman
terrorist attacks
driving into christmas stalls
murdering everyone
slicing up hands of thiefs
throwing gays from buildings

wtf are we at? 15th century?
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