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Re: Madame President

Postby Claeyt » Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:30 pm

Here we compare Dallane's meme post:
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to the title cover of Breivik's Manifesto:

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Re: Madame President

Postby ZoddAlmighty » Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:33 pm

Because no one ever thought about crosing a vertical and horizontal line !?!? xD
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Re: Madame President

Postby Dallane » Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:36 pm

Imagine that a European used a templar cross and that all of a sudden makes me racist. Looks like clay still doesn't know what to rebuttle with other than 'DATS RASIST". In reality clay has no clue what true racism looks like. You really have a sick fascination with this guy clay. You know way to much about him. You really need to turn down the virtue signaling tho. I'm sorry that political correctiveness has emasculated you to the point where you sit to pee but you really shouldn't take it out on others.

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Re: Madame President

Postby Dallane » Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:42 pm

I think it's odd that clay now references the holy cross as someone being racist. Very odd indeed. Fighting urge to....remove....kebab......
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Re: Madame President

Postby Claeyt » Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:46 pm

ZoddAlmighty wrote:Because no one ever thought about crosing a vertical and horizontal line !?!? xD

Actually both Dallane's and Breivik's crosses are the exact same "Knights Templar Cross" or the First Crusade's Cross. It represents the blood of Christ defended.

Of course both Dallane and Breivik are using it because it's been appropriated by right wing groups and "Neo-Crusader Groups" for their views on fighting Muslims and immigration in Europe..

Breivik was fascinated with the Knights Templar and used their themes throughout his Manifesto:

http://world.time.com/2011/07/27/the-kn ... resurrect/

Dallane's meme actually uses one of their sayings "Deus Vult" or "God Wills".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_vult

TLDR: These are the exact same cross and they are a Neo-Crusader Symbol being used by the right in both Europe and America.
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Re: Madame President

Postby Dallane » Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:51 pm

Claeyt wrote:
ZoddAlmighty wrote:Because no one ever thought about crosing a vertical and horizontal line !?!? xD

Actually both Dallane's and Breivik's crosses are the exact same "Knights Templar Cross" or the First Crusade's Cross. It represents the blood of Christ defended.

Of course both Dallane and Breivik are using it because it's been appropriated by right wing groups and "Neo-Crusader Groups" for their views on fighting Muslims and immigration in Europe..

Breivik was fascinated with the Knights Templar and used their themes throughout his Manifesto:

http://world.time.com/2011/07/27/the-kn ... resurrect/

Dallane's meme actually uses one of their sayings "Deus Vult" or "God Wills".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_vult

TLDR: These are the exact same cross and they are a Neo-Crusader Symbol being used by the right in both Europe and America.


The cross exactly like that one has been used since before the viking age infidel. The hospitaller used one just like it. Also games workshop black templars use it. I guess GW is racist also.
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Re: Madame President

Postby Chrumps » Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:03 pm

Claeyt wrote:If you think Breivik was correct then you need to take a long hard look at your views.

I nowhere said so. I only said it's your post that makes these ideas looking reasonable.
Claeyt wrote:Deeper understanding of issues is a virtue, not a fault. Knowing why people blame ALL migrants, minorities or muslims for the criminal/violent acts of a few is important. Most of what people like Breivik are actually attacking is based on the results of poverty both near and afar..

Going by this logic, why require all drivers obey speed limit 50 km/h (30m/h) in a city if only a few drivers kill pedestrians and majority are harmless and responsible...
Hint: it's called prevention.
Claeyt wrote:The final step is understanding how it's all cycling around in a vast world of an ideology of hate towards others and how it self fulfills itself the more people fall into it. This is how the Nazi's started. It can happen again.

True, it even happens now. It's called leftist ideology. Go, examine your own hate now.
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Re: Madame President

Postby Claeyt » Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:08 pm

Dallane wrote:I think it's odd that clay now references the holy cross as someone being racist. Very odd indeed. Fighting urge to....remove....kebab......

Actually this isn't a Holy Cross. The Holy Cross for Catholics is this:

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It's 3 crosses represent the 3 crowns of the Papacy.

The Holy Cross for most American protestant churches is this:

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It represents the simplicity of the crucifix as opposed to the ornate papacy. Catholics don't use it on flags or for symbols because it represents Jesus dying for our sins instead of the symbol of the resurrected Christ. They do use it in some parts of the church and in prayer.

Dallane/Breivik's cross is a military cross used by Crusaders in history and used by right wing groups today.

Dallane wrote:The cross exactly like that one has been used since before the viking age infidel. The hospitaller used one just like it. Also games workshop black templars use it. I guess GW is racist also.


I'm assuming games workshop is using it in a historical reference and not in a modern political meaning in any way. :roll: :roll: :roll:

As for it being a Hospitaller Cross that is a lie. The Hospitaller's used the Maltese Cross representing the 8 obligations of the knighthood:

TO LIVE IN TRUTH
TO HAVE FAITH
TO REPENT ONE'S SINS
TO GIVE PROOF OF HUMILITY
TO LOVE JUSTICE
TO BE MERCIFUL
TO BE SINCERE AND WHOLEHEARTED
TO ENDURE PERSECUTION

You follow none of these so I deem YOU to be the infidel or "unbeliever".

The Hospitaller Cross:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maltese_cross

Today they use a simple flag cross:

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I could argue the symbolism and meaning of Christian Crosses forever but let's both agree that you are wrong and move on...

Chrumps wrote:True, it even happens now. It's called leftist ideology. Go, examine your own hate now.

If you somehow believe my ideas of "Democratic Socialism" are the same as Breivik's then you are really, really wrong. I understand that you're following the same delusional lead of Dallane and Darwoth by saying "The leftists and democrats are the real racists", but that is a political tactic being used by right wing groups right now and has been passed on to Trump's followers after he used it several times to sway black voters. It's being taken from certain right wing internet sites and Darwoth and Dallane are parroting Trump when they use it.
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Re: Madame President

Postby Chrumps » Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:21 pm

Claeyt wrote:[utter nonsense]

You made me check the cross on the church in my town. Thankfully it is still regular Roman Cross.
https://www.google.pl/maps/@50.0617949, ... 728!8i4864

The other link ;)
https://www.google.pl/maps/@50.0127516,20.9875421,3a,75y,327.83h,107.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sr1-wa1eiGU-w0KOFs_i-cA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1


Claeyt wrote:If you somehow believe my ideas of "Democratic Socialism" are the same as Breivik's then you are really, really wrong.

Sorry snowflake to break your delusions. We have tested "democratic socialism" here. It didn't work as you claim it will. It was an oppressive regime. I live long enough to have witnessed how it worked.
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Re: Madame President

Postby Dallane » Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:23 pm

Clay breaking a sweat typing wikipedia searches

Claeyt wrote:I'm assuming games workshop is using it in a historical reference and not in a modern political meaning in any way. :roll: :roll: :roll:


Thats interesting since I've been using it as a meme and not in a political way.

Stop derailing about nonexistent racism
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