The Trump / Russia Controversy

[TotalyMeow]

Why would you think that's nothing?

I already stated that pretty clearly in the post you're replying to. Could you read something for once?

inauguration day is here and it certainly doesn't look like the small event they claimed it was going to be.

Yeah, I've been watching it most of the day when I could. It's been pretty great.

[Claeyt]

Why would you think that's nothing?

I already stated that pretty clearly in the post you're replying to. Could you read something for once?

inauguration day is here and it certainly doesn't look like the small event they claimed it was going to be.

Yeah, I've been watching it most of the day when I could. It's been pretty great.

Unofficial counts of the event (there is no official count since Million Man March) of 250,000 puts it at the smallest inauguration crowd since Nixon's second inaugural and full 1/7 the size of Obama's first inauguration and 1/4 of his second. Finally, D.C. Police have unofficially said there were more protester's outside the event then people inside it.

Of course all of this is unofficial but it's clearly much, much smaller than the usual inauguration based on the photo's I've seen from exact time shots.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... es-ranked/

Oh, and by the way, the only acts they could get to play his inaugural concert were Toby Keith and 3 Doors Down.

[AcidSpiral]

Unofficial counts of the event (there is no official count since Million Man March) of 250,000 puts it at the smallest inauguration crowd since Nixon's second inaugural and full 1/7 the size of Obama's first inauguration and 1/4 of his second. Finally, D.C. Police have unofficially said there were more protester's outside the event then people inside it.

Of course all of this is unofficial but it's clearly much, much smaller than the usual inauguration based on the photo's I've seen from exact time shots.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... es-ranked/

Oh, and by the way, the only acts they could get to play his inaugural concert were Toby Keith and 3 Doors Down.

The website you linked does not state anything about an estimated "250,000". 250,000 tickets were distributed which is on par with most every inauguration since the ticketed area can only accommodate around that many. The website you linked only gives the organizer's expected number of 700,000 to 900,000. Why do you constantly spout nonsense crap without even reading what you link? You seem to really think you're proving any kind of point when all you are doing is making yourself look ignorant.

[Darwoth]

claeyt is a mouth frothing extreme liberal thats why, it is not merely a sarcastic joke when folks say that liberalism is a mental illness in which emotional immaturity is a key component. this is how across any topic they endlessly come to the conclusions that they do in opposition to all sense of fact and reality in favor of baseless emotion and is why they are always demonstrating their hypocrisy when the consequences of their beliefs become inconvenient for them and they then want to redraw the lines to exempt themselves.

[Darwoth]

It is physically impossible to "erase" everything Obama did as we're seeing with the ACA alone.

[saltmummy]

It is physically impossible to "erase" everything Obama did as we're seeing with the ACA alone.

Definitely impossible to "erase" them drone strikes. Whether you think they were good because they killed terrorists or bad because lots of collateral damage or just don't care because you (I) really can't be bothered worrying about exploding people on the other side of the world, our military under the order of Obama rained hellfire on the middle east with drone strikes. Obama loves him some drone strikes. Put his predecessors measured use of well placed drone strikes to shame with his own wanton hammering of the middle east with explosive ordinance. Did it so much in some regions that they are actually afraid of the sky. If you're into some kind of peace loving whoever, you are definitely looking to the wrong guy there.

[Claeyt]

Russia arrests 2 high level FSB administrators for dossier leak.

FSB Deputy Director of Counter Intelligence arrested and hasn't been seen in a week.

FSB Deputy Head of Cyber Security has a bag thrown over his head in meeting and charged with treason.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watc ... 3859267681

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watc ... 3845443847

[TotalyMeow]

Russia arrests 2 high level FSB administrators for dossier leak.

FSB Deputy Director of Counter Intelligence arrested and hasn't been seen in a week.

FSB Deputy Head of Cyber Security has a bag thrown over his head in meeting and charged with treason.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watc ... 3859267681

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watc ... 3845443847

Do you have any source besides Rachel Maddow? She's impossible to listen to.

[Claeyt]

Russia arrests 2 high level FSB administrators for dossier leak.

FSB Deputy Director of Counter Intelligence arrested and hasn't been seen in a week.

FSB Deputy Head of Cyber Security has a bag thrown over his head in meeting and charged with treason.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watc ... 3859267681

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watc ... 3845443847

Do you have any source besides Rachel Maddow? She's impossible to listen to.

Here you go:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/w ... ested.html

This is before it was learned that one of them was deputy director of FSB counter intelligence and possibly arrested for the dossier leak.

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Slowly but surely the dossier becomes confirmed...

Breaking today:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russi ... SKBN1582OH

http://www.businessinsider.com/carter-p ... ier-2017-1

An "associate" of Russian Oligarch, Igor Sechin is now giving proof that Sechin who's in charge of Russian state oil company, Rosneft offered to sell Trump's associates a 19% stake in Rosneft to be owned in secret through holding companies if he lifted sanctions on Russia after becoming president. The "associate" is also confirming the deal was made to Carter Page, Trump's foreign policy adviser and Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager over several meetings throughout last year.

The new proof is funding request memos for the deal through Gazprom and a personal interview with a Sechin "associate". This means that this part of the dossier has now been confirmed by 2 different sources and a financial memo from Gazprombank. Carter Page was in Moscow at the time of the alleged meetings and has confirmed he met with Sechin on at least one occasion but denies knowledge of the deal. He has not confirmed he met with senior Kremlin internal affairs official Igor Diveykin as alleged.

Rosneft sold a 19.5% stake in itself to Glencore PLC a Qatari holding company on December 7th a week and a half after the election. Gazprombank, a Russian bank attached to Gazprom another Russian oil company provided the funding for it. Carter Page flew back to Russia on December 8th, A DAY AFTER THE SALE but denied he met with Sechin at that point. He has also lied to the FBI about his investments in Rosneft after telling them he sold all of it while continuing to own investment in it.

Carter Page is still under investigation by a CIA led task force which is ongoing.

as yet unconfirmed aspects of THIS PART of the dossier:

Paul Manafort was allegedly the initial contact and negotiator for the deal and he suggested Carter Page, Trump's foreign policy adviser as the go-between.

Carter Page is also alleged to have met senior Kremlin internal affairs official Igor Diveykin about the deal.

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Interestingly the supposed initial source for the Rosneft/Trump deal within Chris Steele's dossier, another source close to Sechin was killed in Moscow recently. The Russians are trying to contain the dossier.

https://cgrozev.wordpress.com/2017/01/1 ... ds-part-1/

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There are also rumors flying that the 2 FSB agents were possibly outed by members of the President's administration over the weekend after the inauguration. It's unclear if the 2 agents were the sources for the dossier or sources for the CIA but today, news sources are saying they may have been intentionally outed so as to clean up the dossier leak just after the president was inaugurated and apparently the CIA is livid about their arrests.

[TotalyMeow]

I read your three articles. I'm not sure if they're saying what you think they're saying.

Setting aside whether these articles are trustworthy in the first place, the NY Times article is about two people in Russia being arrested for treason; Sergei Mikahailov, an officer in the FSB's cyberintelligence branch, and Ruslan Stoyanov, a cybersecurity expert. The article claims the two agencies "recruited among criminal hackers to carry out politicized computer intrusions ahead of last summer’s hacking of the Democratic National Committee in the United States, giving the hackers impunity to commit financially motivated attacks in exchange for their expertise". It further claims they two men were probably either arrested because they interfered with that cooperation, or possibly as a gesture of goodwill towards the US, but the reasons aren't known for certain.

The second article details that a large stake of Russian oil was sold to a group of private companies with about 19% of the stake being untraceable to a final stakeholder.

The third article details that said stake may or may not have been offered to Trump as a bribe to loosen sanctions on Russia but when it was refused, the sellers had to scramble to find a purchaser before the deadline, which they succeeded in doing.

I suppose we can wait and see if Trump lifts economic sanctions on Russia for no good reason, but this is otherwise very thin proof at best.