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nd not sure those numbers are 100% true for 2016, most of them are 2016 anw,but i cant help but wonder, how do people with such salaries ever travel in other countries?
In december, there r so many ppl coming to france for the xmas markets, even with the terrorist threat attacks all over local newspapers all the time and soldiers with rifles sitting at xmas market entrances etc our hotels in france are 100% filled with tourists (americans, asians, ger/swi/ uk etc) that come all the way ffrom their country to enjoy their holidays here.

Are people from those countries super rich to come here, what kind of profession can u do in Russia or the US to be able to afford spending a couple days so far away just to see some market? every year i see all those tourists and think about how 0 they earn every month in their country and how they can do so much with it? if u listen to the average french guy that earns the minimal pay that is way above a million other countries and works 35h a week (that by the way is one of lowest working hours/week in wolrd i think) and 90% of them will tell u how they dont earn enough, work too hard and cant do **** in life. if i think of all the french people i met in my life in random places, rare were those who could afford anything better than going elwhsere in france or going to nearby countries like spain ger italia etc.

I met tons of americans and russians when travelling myself around the globe and i would always have a drink with them if possible and i couldnt figure out how could they possibly travel like this, even if obvly where they live, life cost is adapted to their salary i just dont get how can the poeple that earn more than the average i suppose, spend all the money they saved for XX time on a visit-the-french-xmas-markets-trip etc? =/

Also , what do u think about terrorist attack threats in france for this time of the year? last year it felt like a big deal, ppl talking about danger everywhere, soldiers everywhere etc, local papers talking about whether or not they'd cancel xmas markets etc. People got scared mostly in big french cities and even the tourists from america asia etc chose to book mostly in very small towns their hotels to see the xmas markets in small villages rather than big cities famous for it such as paris strasbourg etc as they seemed to think itd be safer (tons of december booking cancellations in big cities and very low in little villages) .tho american tourists in france not matter what age they r always the ones with a different mentality about everything and its like they dont have same danger/terrorism concepts and vision of things than most europeans if u talk to those tourists, like they would be the ones that mind the less soldiers presence in markets when some french ppl (mostly the older the more would think) on the countryside would say its not xmas atmosphere anymore and stay home when some would simply ignore everything and still go etc.
What do u think as European/American about the terrorism danger in france? in the news i see 'terrorism threat stopped', terrorism this and that and muslim names spamming and this and that, and because of the lack of interest i had been having in past months/year in those stuff i feel like im incapable to tell for myself whether most of this is Bs or whether i should truly be scared and 'stay home' in december on weekends etc. many stuff i read in local papers actually happened close to me, like couple days ago guys got arrrested like 15min away from me for planning on doing terrorism attack december the 1rst in paris etc along with other ppl. Would i be stupid to stay home scared to death or should i keep living like nth is going on? i cant tell. i dont wna die in some allabkar bum bam. Whats ur opinion as outsiders overall?

sorry if i said smth that makes 0sens or was wrong, its difficukt for me to express myself in english what i rlly wna say and what i actually say instead, i had 8/20 at my english final exam so dont mock me plz, i can explain smth better if need to reformulate smth, i jsut feel concenred by this and wanted to make a thread about it

Travelling from western europe to places like eastern europe, russia, south america, ... is incredibly cheap. If an average lunch here costs 10 euros, it's maybe 2 or 3 euros' equivalent over there. Flights can go pretty darn cheap with low-cost airlines. True, people making minimum working wage or a living wage tend to have to scrape in their own country - that's the point of minimum wages. A small one-person appartment over here costs maybe 400-500 euros per month, but for that price it's not uncommon that you can simply spend a month on a hostel (or even hotel) in less developed countries. I had a business trip to Chile last year, and I found a hotel that only cost me half as much per night as my own appartment in belgium, not counting the free breakfast at the hotel or the facilities in my own appartment.

TLDR; for people with minimum wage in Belgium/France/... it's often actually cheaper to go on a holiday destination far away; places where the living cost is a lot lower.

It would be better to compare average salary, not minimum wage, because minimum wage is just the bar set by government and it doesn't say much about what people actually earn. Real percentage of people working for a minimum wage is not that high. People getting minimum wage and people traveling around the world are obviously differnt people.
Then people you meet don't really make any make representative statistics. About 400-500 thousands Russians per year visit France. Out of ~150 000 000. Thats about 0,003%. About 40-50 million people per year leave country at all, that's 30%, about 25 000 000 of those visit countries Russia shares borders with, so that is very easy and not expensive at all. Only 3% of people leave country more than once a year. Only 4 % of people do that every year. Most people have one trip in 4-5 years.
I myself never been to France, but can tell you about other European countries. Low budget level trip for one person costs 200-700 euros depending on country, time of the year, transport, your location and luck. For example, bus ticket to Finnland from Saint-Petersburg costs 10 euros and humble hotel for a week would cost you about 300 euros. Can get to Greece for about 150-200 euros at spring, two ways flight included. Spain or Italy a month before or after tourist peak would be 300-400 euro. You can also get pretty cheap deals for 3-4 days trips some time around christmass. Then if you travel with friends or family it get's cheaper per person, since you can share the room and there are package deals.
Not that hard to save up such sum in a few years if you're making about 250-300euro/month .

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shizuka wrote:i had 8/20 at my english final exam so dont mock me plz

No wonder when you use **** like "smth" "0sens" "bcaz" "nth" and "wna"

In the US very few people make minimum wage, and most of them are young, uneducated, and probably not vacationing in France, and in most places in the US you can live on very little money.

DarkNacht wrote:In the US very few people make minimum wage, and most of them are young, uneducated, and probably not vacationing in France, and in most places in the US you can live on very little money.

You are clueless

DarkNacht wrote:In the US very few people make minimum wage, and most of them are young, uneducated, and probably not vacationing in France, and in most places in the US you can live on very little money.

I'd like to go to the US you're thinking of. I make three times minimum wage and I still struggle to keep all my bills paid and I live in one of the lowest living cost areas in the country.

AcidSpiral wrote:

DarkNacht wrote:In the US very few people make minimum wage, and most of them are young, uneducated, and probably not vacationing in France, and in most places in the US you can live on very little money.

I'd like to go to the US you're thinking of. I make three times minimum wage and I still struggle to keep all my bills paid and I live in one of the lowest living cost areas in the country.

I have less money now then I did making 10 a hour.

most people in this country are dumber than ***** and are broke even when they make 100k+ a year because they have no concept of how to manage finances and that same loose outlook manifests itself in other areas of their day to day as well, the 10 - 15% of people here that are not retards and avoid detrimental financial entanglements (children, car payments, drug addictions, divorces, credit cards, renting instead of getting a mortgage or rent to own can often live at a far higher standard than someone making 2 or 3x as they do.

the people you see abroad are typically one of three categories:

1> somewhat wealthy

2> responsible middle class that can manage their **** and afford a decent vacation

3> raging jackasses that maxed out their credit cards and liened out their car to an auto loan place to take the vacation, and will be paying it off and eating spaghettios for the next 8 years when they get back


most "tourist" type places i have been to i can say with authority that the majority of my "fellow americans" bumbling around impressed by the paper umbrella in their drink were of category three.