What do you hate the most about Salem?

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Re: What do you hate the most about Salem?

Postby Procne » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:59 am

TotalyMeow wrote: if you're obviously trying to crowd a number of alts in town to disease people on purpose.

Isn't that exactly why you introduced diseases in the first place? Is my memory tricking me or was it around the time diseases were added that JohnCarver started repeating that towns aren't supposed to be safe.
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Re: What do you hate the most about Salem?

Postby nexustrimean » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:51 pm

What if Disease werent catchable below a certain scalp score? This would protect the absolute newbies, Giving them time to establish before having to interact in in town.

Edit: Nevermind, Too open to abuse. I forgot most people here use a ton of alts.
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Re: What do you hate the most about Salem?

Postby trungdle » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:59 pm

Then we should change the current system, adding a "incubation" period where you're infected and able to spread diseases but have no symptom.
Then we can get rid of the alts as ANYONE can be a vector.
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Re: What do you hate the most about Salem?

Postby Otis » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:59 pm

TotalyMeow wrote:
Otis wrote:put in a mechanic to deal with it. Direct DEV interaction is just pathetic.

I hate the fact that I am forced to play a specific way, and voice my opinion, but this attitude takes the cake.


I hate that people complain about the mechanics we have, but don't bother giving any suggestions on how to change them. But I'm sure we'll think of something once we're done with the 1000s of other things we have to do/balance/add. :lol:


Lets be clear, I don't like Disease and I really hate insanity/madness in its current form, but I am doing my best to not complain about it. Disease seems to mainly punish new players (people who cant afford the mask) and insanity/madness - well don't get me started. My post was specific to the suggestion that you may take action on people's main characters because they are USING a mechanic you introduced and like.

If you (the developers) don't like the results change how it works, but you should not be punishing players for using a game mechanic that is APPROVED. I recall that I already suggested the Monty Python solution "Bring out your dead!". Let people load bodies on an NPC roaming cart - even club diseased characters over the head and load them in for that matter. Heck, it can just be a special bin or a new hospital building, no sexay AI. I am sure some players would be happy to police town and remove people.

Up until your post I assumed the rumors about DEV favoritism/intervention/cheating was just that, a rumor, but now I am not so sure.

So back to the point, "What do you hate the most about Salem?" The thought that the developers are (or would consider) punishing people for using approved game mechanics.

Hmmm, disappointing. For an answer to your rant, see the post by John below. Your post was hinnomed for being an off-topic rant about dev intervetion / moderation, which was already explained here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10316&start=90#p214978. You will now be banned for a day for reposting your rant instead of PMing me about it, which is what you should do if you're confused or concerned about something, including the rumor you mentioned.

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Re: What do you hate the most about Salem?

Postby ShadowTani » Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:05 pm

It's better that a player experience their first decease early and risk losing a character they haven't put that much work into, rather than later and risk losing a character they have put a lot more work into. People don't really go searching out solutions for stuff like this before it happens to them, hence why peoples first bat encounter often end up into a KO-loop. Likewise the first time you get a decease is always going to be the most dangerous one, after that diagnosing and curing a decease just becomes a fun little mini-game, at least in my opinion (that's why I don't bother wearing a mask myself). The sooner a players "virginity" is taken in regards to these harsher mechanics the better, so trying to protect the newbies from them would be doing them a disservice.
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Re: What do you hate the most about Salem?

Postby trungdle » Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:10 pm

Yeah but, as he says, devs should have minimal to none role in the evolution of the game's meta/landscape. The most they should do is tweak the system so that it prevent such troll/actions.
I understand his view, and am not against it. After all, the one who get punished will feel violated, the rape-you-then-spit-on-you kind of way.
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Re: What do you hate the most about Salem?

Postby Heffernan » Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:24 pm

something that EVERYONE hates..

when you drag a cart/sled/sturdy around and CONSTANTLY 10000s of animals will run in ur way deconnecting the cart from you...
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Re: What do you hate the most about Salem?

Postby JohnCarver » Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:36 pm

Otis wrote:Rant based on miscommunication


I think you are reading into what Meow is saying wrong. Having a sickness alt standing around in town or otherwise being sick yourself and chasing people to cough on them is fine and is a happy and healthy use of the mechanic. Dev intervention comes in the form of when players literally make dozens if not hundreds of them in an attempt to 'fill the town' with them all. This is not allowed, neither is filling the town with hundreds of compost bins, neither is using your I/O stream to hack the game. Just because you 'can' do something does not mean it is not against the rules. You 'CAN' type anything in area chat via the game too. This does not mean I will not BAN the #(*$ out of you if it is just over the top racism or harassment in the chat logs.

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Re: What do you hate the most about Salem?

Postby Inotdead » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:15 pm

JohnCarver wrote: Just because you 'can' do something does not mean it is against the rules.


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Re: What do you hate the most about Salem?

Postby Potjeh » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:07 pm

I hate how beavers stop spawning when I decide to go hunting.
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