Misogyny in online gaming

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Re: Misogyny in online gaming

Postby Kandarim » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:06 pm

dageir wrote:Ok, lets conclude. We are all human beings. We should not categorize people based on their gender. Therefore when talking about people in third person where you do not know their gender, you shall refer to them as she/he or he/she. The problem by doing this is obvious as some would take that as an insult aswell, and some would be affronted that the wrong gender is mentioned first or last. We could use more words for example saying "the person that said this and that." So I suggest a single word to be used talking about a person in third person with uncertain gender: Hum.


english already has a word for this: they/them/their
contrary to most other languages i'm aware of, I might add
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Re: Misogyny in online gaming

Postby Mereni » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:15 pm

Kandarim wrote:
dageir wrote:Ok, lets conclude. We are all human beings. We should not categorize people based on their gender. Therefore when talking about people in third person where you do not know their gender, you shall refer to them as she/he or he/she. The problem by doing this is obvious as some would take that as an insult aswell, and some would be affronted that the wrong gender is mentioned first or last. We could use more words for example saying "the person that said this and that." So I suggest a single word to be used talking about a person in third person with uncertain gender: Hum.


english already has a word for this: they/them/their
contrary to most other languages i'm aware of, I might add


Also attempts at quite a few invented pronouns, including 'hum'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-neu ... d_pronouns

But almost everyone seems to prefer to just use singular 'they' if they don't want to assume a gender.
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Re: Misogyny in online gaming

Postby MagicManICT » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:18 pm

They, them, and their are actually all plural pronouns that have roots in masculinity. They've simply been co-opted for modern language.

There's a big difference between just being correct and being politically correct. Stating a fact is simply being correct. Changing your language, mannerisms, etc to be less offensive or to placate others is being politically correct. Some might say it's just observing good etiquette, though.
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Re: Misogyny in online gaming

Postby ysbryd » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:35 pm

MagicManICT wrote:They, them, and their are actually all plural pronouns that have roots in masculinity. They've simply been co-opted for modern language.

There's a big difference between just being correct and being politically correct. Stating a fact is simply being correct. Changing your language, mannerisms, etc to be less offensive or to placate others is being politically correct. Some might say it's just observing good etiquette, though.

I hear what you are saying and I totally agree with you, especially with terms that are meant as abusive and degrading. I just dont see whats so wrong with he or she. Not sure I want to be androgenous. Just want to be recognised as a female of the species. But anyway, others may think different and thats okay.
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Re: Misogyny in online gaming

Postby jorb » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:52 pm

what edifices of behaviors or morality you believe progressives tore down and deconstructed


I find the public expressions of modernity to be shallow, vain, stale, technocratic, petty, animalistic, lonely, ugly, egotistic, spiritually lacking and devoid of meaning, and feel instead far more comfortable in what I perceive to be the vertically oriented, familial, richer, fuller, and more integrated world view and symbolism of what can broadly be described as the old order, that is to say traditional, Christian and Monarchical European societies as they appeared -- rooted in the soil of their making -- before the murderous ravages of the 20th century. When I lament Jacobin deconstruction, it is precisely the deconstruction of traditional, legitimate authority and natural order I lament, i.e. the systematic subversion of symbols such as those of -- most visibly -- throne and altar, and their replacement instead with the symbols of money and the guillotine, that is to say corporate neo-mercantilism and democracy.

I do not believe in democracy, nor in human equality before any yardstick other than God. The forms, concepts, expressions and internal contradictions of liberal secular religion and theology are not mine, and I take no interest in them. I consider beauty to be an objective category, and a human value of no lesser an importance than that of truth or justice.


I believe that God in his image made men and women separate and distinct. I recognize the fundamental distinctness of archetypes such as 'Mother' and 'Father', and I do not believe that human life or understanding is served by reducing such wondrous categories of structured reality to an undifferentiated muddle of indistinct chaos, i.e. "equality". It follows that I feel no particular compulsion to treat men and women "equally", but on the contrary always with respect for the fullness and integrity of their persons.

I consider any assertion of equality as a value to be incompatible with the recognition of human personhood and personality; the fundamental, manifold expressions of harmonious -- that is to say differentiated and fundamentally unequal -- reality, and the most beautiful qualities of the human condition.

I believe it virtuous to put kith and kin before strangers.
I do not consider fornication to be the apex of human personal achievement.

This makes perfect sense to me:
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This does not:
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I am of course well aware that the Fall from Grace is of a far older date than the 20th century, and I entertain no Utopian illusions about any actualized earthly perfection at any time since.

I believe in love, humility, grace, mercy, humor and forgiveness, and in meeting my fellow men in the most Christian spirit I can possibly muster.

The Lord knows I struggle at times.

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It is precisely this the very understanding of virtue that has been deconstructed and torn down.

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Re: Misogyny in online gaming

Postby ysbryd » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:04 pm

*Bows to a greater wisdom (and vocabulary)

I think I agree. Men and women are different, equalilty should only be espoused in opportunity. And the love of money may not be the root of all evil, but its sure down there somewhere. Values have changed, and not for the better. In a world where millions are spent on arms, people still starve. Where cures for diseases are priced in dollars not in compassion. A lot of good comes with progress, but it has its down side too. A selfish, throw away world that wants instant gratification without regard to others.
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Re: Misogyny in online gaming

Postby Jalpha » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:08 pm

Gee guys, that's really depressing (because it's true).

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Re: Misogyny in online gaming

Postby Oddity » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:27 pm

jorb wrote:tearing down and deconstructing every edifice of morality and standard of decent behavior that the West has ever known.

Can you give some more concrete examples of what you mean by edifices of morality, and standards of decent behavior, that have been torn down?
Let me know when it's H&H World 7.
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Re: Misogyny in online gaming

Postby Ghilliedhu » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:53 pm

jorb wrote:
I do not believe in democracy, nor in human equality before any yardstick other than God. The forms, concepts, expressions and internal contradictions of liberal secular religion and theology are not mine, and I take no interest in them. I consider beauty to be an objective category, and a human value of no lesser an importance than that of truth or justice.


This is one of the dumbest and most misguided things I have ever read. I am so sickened to my core with your perception of reality that I can't even begin to teach you how ***** your opinions are. Honestly, Jorb, as a long time lover of both H&H and Salem, and somebody who respected you for your work and effort on 2 games that I enjoy ... I literally just lost every ounce of respect I had for you as a human being. You are a repulsive ***** cancer and I sincerely hope you are sterile because the last thing this world needs is more anti-progressive god-fearing nutbags like you.

You ***** disgust me.

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Re: Misogyny in online gaming

Postby BubbaMKII » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:57 pm

I have been to christian schools, i know the bible, but i do not believe in any god.
I do believe in the values and stories about morality in the bible, they are wise lessons, mostly.
A lot of it is total nonsense, thought up to oppress mankind and if you have a little bit of common sense, you will see that.
Somehow a lot of religious people read a totally different bible than i have and abuse what is in it for their own gain.
People who believe in some form of god and treat people with respect (if they deserve it) i have no problem with.
People who try to force their religion upon me as being the one true thing, i despise.
I am not afraid to die, in fact, it will be either nothing or something, in the last case i will go "wow!, cool!"
If this god then exists, i shall be granted forgiveness for my "ignorance", right?

I sincerely hope jorb is trolling like a madman.
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