Let's have that political discussion.

[jwhitehorn]

I can't even imagine the disappointment you're going to feel throughout your life as these successful and important programs that help everyone continue. They'll never go away and you'll just keep filling up with ***** and poison. The Democrats are probably going to win back congress in 2014 and are probably going to win the White House in 2016 and you're hate is just going to grow and grow. You've been misled over and over again by the news media of the right and you just don't understand how things are like what they are. Get over it.

As much as it is human nature to hate the idea of people getting something for nothing I found tranquility in the following realization. While the entitlement programs may collectively provide a quality of life better than most minimum wage positions they are a far cry from the quality of life available to the average educated and dedicated American too proud and capable to find himself on those programs. A fool is easily parted from his money, evidenced by the large % of Lottery Winners who bought their tickets with welfare money only to find themselves filing bankruptcy a few years later after losing their millions in winnings.

Therefore, I look at high taxes on the wealthy and entitlement programs as a mini-challenge to see how fast that $$ can be recaptured after it is taken in april and re-distributed to the "less fortunate". It would be little different than if once a year half the Tribe's silver were taken from them and given to the rest of the population. By the end of that year we would have all the silver again anyway. If that free silver (entitlement money) makes them happy and gives me something to do then is the system really as flawed as some argue?

I wish we lived in a world where people were accountable for their actions and everybody was dedicated and motivated to be the best they can be. However, it is important for those who do take advantage of the American dream to realize that without the masses giving up and taking handouts and/or taking the easy path the more difficult journey wouldn't be nearly as rewarding.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

[wormcsa]

First time "The Bell Curve" was brought up.

Nobodies saying that genetics don't play a part, but modern research has placed environment above genetics. Even one of the research studies that was the heaviest proponents towards genetics, the book 'The Bell Curve' put the ratio at only 60-40 for genetics, and all further research since then has moved it well into the environment as determinate.

Ortega is president of Nicaragua now. He wasn't allowed to campaign throughout the country in 1990. Either way, Reagan funded right wing militia's in Central America illegally and many, many people died.

You are a charlatan pure and simple. First you claimed the opposition had no domestic support, then you claimed the Sandinistas were not allowed into the 1990s election, now you are claiming Ortega was not allowed to campaign? Since the first two were flat out made up, and I can find no evidence that the leader of Nicaragua was not allowed to campaign in the country he was at the time in charge of, I'm going to assume you also made that up too. As to it being mainstream that free trade has a net negative impact go google "free trade," "economists" and poll for a start. And lol that China and India have improved the lot of billions by "globalization" as opposed to free trade. Ok fine, so globalization is good but free trade is bad? Ok, we can compromise agree to that.

I'm not going through the rest of your post to point out all the false statements, misrepresentations, and how you switch a false statement into usually another false statement, as I simply have run out of patience with you. Back on the ignore list.

[Claeyt]

I can't even imagine the disappointment you're going to feel throughout your life as these successful and important programs that help everyone continue. They'll never go away and you'll just keep filling up with ***** and poison. The Democrats are probably going to win back congress in 2014 and are probably going to win the White House in 2016 and you're hate is just going to grow and grow. You've been misled over and over again by the news media of the right and you just don't understand how things are like what they are. Get over it.

As much as it is human nature to hate the idea of people getting something for nothing I found tranquility in the following realization. While the entitlement programs may collectively provide a quality of life better than most minimum wage positions they are a far cry from the quality of life available to the average educated and dedicated American too proud and capable to find himself on those programs. A fool is easily parted from his money, evidenced by the large % of Lottery Winners who bought their tickets with welfare money only to find themselves filing bankruptcy a few years later after losing their millions in winnings.

Therefore, I look at high taxes on the wealthy and entitlement programs as a mini-challenge to see how fast that $$ can be recaptured after it is taken in april and re-distributed to the "less fortunate". It would be little different than if once a year half the Tribe's silver were taken from them and given to the rest of the population. By the end of that year we would have all the silver again anyway. If that free silver (entitlement money) makes them happy and gives me something to do then is the system really as flawed as some argue?

I wish we lived in a world where people were accountable for their actions and everybody was dedicated and motivated to be the best they can be. However, it is important for those who do take advantage of the American dream to realize that without the masses giving up and taking handouts and/or taking the easy path the more difficult journey wouldn't be nearly as rewarding.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

I like this attitude chief. I'd only add a few things. Nobody wants to be on welfare and nobody's on it forever. I've met hundreds of people on various forms of welfare while never having been on it myself and they fall into 3 categories. Those who have lost their job which did not pay enough to let them have any savings and they only need temporary assistance until their next low income job. Those who have some form of disability which may or may not be apparent to everyone. This includes mental illness, physical disability and everything else. These people hate being on welfare and it's often forced upon them after some crisis or emergency to stabilize their lives and help them to live in society without being homeless or in prison. Lastly there are those who have grown up in poverty and don't have the intelligence or education to get out of it with assistance such as training, parental classes, GED's or whatever. Some of them succeed and some of them don't. They never stop trying and often bounce from one low end job to another through out their life.

You're right, welfare in this country doesn't pay as much. Nobody wants to be on it and they're often searching for something better. They aren't handed a check every month to spend on whatever they want. They can't buy lottery tickets with it. They don't get to choose where they want to live if they get housing assistance. They don't get to choose what they can buy to eat with their food assistance card. If given the choice all of them would be working a good paying job that they like rather than be on welfare, and most importantly almost many of the people on welfare have some form of job. Many of them full time. 30% of food stamp recipients in America work and 41% live in a household with someone who works. If you provide them with a good paying decent job or educated them for a decent job they're choices would be easier.

[jwhitehorn]

Given the amount of ***** you believe on these forums without any effort into investigating the truth and/or skpetism about the authenticity of what you are being told it doesn't surprise me in the least that various low-income individuals have convinced you of that ***** you are now repeating Claeyt. Here are some real facts.

*The Majority of people I have offered employment to on entitlement programs reject anything under $15.00/hr because they would prefer to not work and make a little less than I'm offering.

*The funds received by many of my "customers" is not audited at all. Several government programs simply electronically transfer funds into their checking account on the 1st. They then withdraw it on the 3rd and give it to me without any government involvement in the services/products purchased with the funds.

*If WIC/Food Stamps restricts an item then the person will solicit and/or harass other people in the grocery store to buy their milk/eggs/whatever for them and then TRADE them back to them in the parking lot for donuts/cigarettes/candy.



Are there a few people who use the systems as intended? Sure, probably. But I consider the majority of the funds to be "bribe' money for the person on the program to accept the status quo and not to riot over whatever retarded cause somebody smarter than them might get them to believe in. Thinking the system helps the majority of them is just ignorant. Accepting that it pacifies individuals who in any other society would probably just be left for dead and instead empowers them to siphon the funds back into the hands of the deserving is what allows me to accept it despite the fact that I identify more with republicans.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

[RuneNL]

I agree with Chief on the issue.

Countries where credit/loans are normal people borrow and spend said credit as if it where their own money.
Buying an expensive car because their ego desires such however their income does not cover this.

We work with a medieval monetary system of debt. All the access one has is debt to another.
As long as stupid under educated people spend their earned/given money on pointless, debt inducing objects, others get richer.

When I lived in Engand I lived right across the Job Center (where people collect their benefits) and every month a large amount of people would drive up in their expensive two seater cars with their girlfriend/wife and kid on the front seat to go in and get their "hard earned" cash. Then they would end up fighting with the other "hard earners" over drivel and pointless caveman *****.

I came to the conclusion that withouth the social welfare system, these people would be living on the street.
Simply because they have nu ***** clue whats important in life... All they care about how they see themselves, their own ***** up view of their individuality is ***** up their own lives.

If alone we are but a stone, then only together we can make a wall.

To me the issue lies with the terrible education the government offers people today and all the crap that is on TV.

An idiot remains an idiot aslong as they can live and survive as being an idiot.

Hell, Salem often shows how some individuals think how entitled they are to others peoples kindness and dedication while, they, themselves show and give nothing in return.

[Claeyt]

Are there a few people who use the systems as intended? Sure, probably. But I consider the majority of the funds to be "bribe' money for the person on the program to accept the status quo and not to riot over whatever retarded cause somebody smarter than them might get them to believe in. Thinking the system helps the majority of them is just ignorant. Accepting that it pacifies individuals who in any other society would probably just be left for dead and instead empowers them to siphon the funds back into the hands of the deserving is what allows me to accept it despite the fact that I identify more with republicans.

Well, as I've worked with Welfare recipients for a very long time I'll go with what I know.

Yes welfare fraud happens, and it should be stopped. You don't just gets a check or an automatic deposit for cash placed in their bank account. Most people don't even get spending money for new clothes or anything like that. They generally get a voucher. Almost all of welfare comes in the form of living assistance or food assistance. Living assistance is either provided by the government agency directly or directly paid to the housing company or landlord. It's never given to the person themselves. Food assistance is deposited into a card and is only available for certain things. Any other use of those 2 is illegal. Actual spending money is usually only provided to people with disabilities, and by disabilities I'm talking mental illness and physical disabilities. Other cash dispersements such as unemployment is temporary. The only other physical payments available as cash would go to families with children under 5 where the mother (or father) can't afford child care and has to stay home with them. In most states once the child starts school the parent has to start looking for work.

[jwhitehorn]

I'll go with what I know.

If this were true then you would never post.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

[maggie]

Welfare in america is not what it was meant to be. My husband and I live in NY because his job is just down the street from our apartment and he works long ours so I don't want him driving far when he's really tired at the end of the day. Because I am from canada and chose no secondary education while i was there when I got to the states I was unqualified for the job I had worked for three years in canada. My husband supports us and I barely make enough to pay for our food with a managers position in a frozen yogurt store. The six months before I was allowed to work after I arrived things were tight and we shopped in some places where a lot of people are on welfare. we watched the person in front of us using a welfare credit card buy all kinds of unnecessary items like chips and cookies while my husband who worked his ass off every day and I had to put back cheese and buy beans instead of meat because we didnt have enough money. That is seriously twisted. In canada welfare is different they make you prove it every step of the way that you need to be on welfare same with disability money.

[Tamasin]

well, i'm not american, so it isn't really my business, but i think all the recent presidents you guys had seemed to suck really badly.

But i feel we're worse off here in australia. the vast majority of aussies seem to agree we haven't even had the chance to vote for someone who wasn't completely incompetent and unacceptable for a very long time.

[Greb]

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