The Trump / Russia Controversy

[Dallane]

Jesus things keep getting worse and worse.

[Claeyt]

CBS, quoting sources inside the FBI is now reporting that the FBI investigation has spread to a timeline of coordination between the Trump Campaign and Russian Intelligence as early as March of last year. Previously they had stated May/June as a start date.

They also are reporting that the FBI counter intelligence investigation has expanded to the New York and London field offices and is not longer just in Washington with a few agents in NY.

The Russian troll army numbers have also grown as the FBI is now saying that the Russians payed as many as 15,000 people to bot posts and post fake news links on sites such as Reddit's pro-Trump subreddits, Fox News, Twitter, Info Wars and other sources that fed on RT and Sputnik "Gray" and "White" propaganda/news sources. The Russian Intelligence payed trolls would then feed those Americanized sources into Facebook and Twitter news feeds.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-probing ... d=36077589

[Chrumps]

Clayet is right about Russian interference. They are now openly offering interference services.
https://twitter.com/MID_RF/status/848074270274195456
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[Yes]

Clayet is right about Russian interference. They are now openly offering interference services.
https://twitter.com/MID_RF/status/848074270274195456
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Wow, this is 100% proof of the Trump-Russia ties. I'm with Hillary now.

[AcidSpiral]

CBS, quoting sources inside the FBI is now reporting that the FBI investigation has spread to a timeline of coordination between the Trump Campaign and Russian Intelligence as early as March of last year. Previously they had stated May/June as a start date.

They also are reporting that the FBI counter intelligence investigation has expanded to the New York and London field offices and is not longer just in Washington with a few agents in NY.

The Russian troll army numbers have also grown as the FBI is now saying that the Russians payed as many as 15,000 people to bot posts and post fake news links on sites such as Reddit's pro-Trump subreddits, Fox News, Twitter, Info Wars and other sources that fed on RT and Sputnik "Gray" and "White" propaganda/news sources. The Russian Intelligence payed trolls would then feed those Americanized sources into Facebook and Twitter news feeds.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-probing ... d=36077589

Claeyt you really should get a media job. You'd be awesome with the whole aspect of reading some text and then spinning out 200 words of *****.

[Claeyt]

So much is happening today that I think my head is going to explode.

First the simple thing:

Buzzfeed is reporting from sources concerning a 2015 sealed court filing that former Trump Campaign aide Carter Page was directly recruited and passed documents to an SVR agent (Russian Foreign Intelligence Service) in New York City between 2013-2015. The SVR agent was part of a spy ring to get energy sector information from business contacts in the U.S. The SVR agent along with other Russians in the ring were charged in 2015 and fled the country. Page was questioned by the FBI counter-intelligence investigation team and admitted to giving the SVR agent energy sector information from business sources he worked with so as to improve his chance at working with the Russian oil firm Gazprom. He was not charged or investigated by the FBI at the time.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alimwatkins/a- ... wcm5zzRpy9

Why is this important:

1. Carter Page has repeatedly lied to the media since June about never having contacts with Russian Intelligence. This court filing proves he knew he had contact with an SVR agent, had been interviewed by the FBI about those contacts and then hid it. Within the last month he has admitted to non-specific contact with Russians through business ties but still denied direct contact with Russian Intelligence.

2. The US federal prosecutor who ran the NY counter intelligence investigation in 2015 WAS PREET BHARARA who was just fired by Trump and Sessions. This could be yet another reason why Trump's White House wanted him off these cases and wanted more control over the Federal Prosecutor's office in NY so as to obstruct any other contact between current and older investigations.

3. Carter Page is named in the Trump Russian Dossier as having repeated contact with Russian Intelligence sources in Eastern Europe for the campaign. He was supposedly sent by Manafort with Flynn also possibly knowing about the contacts. Estonian media earlier reported that Estonian Intelligence Agencies supposedly were able to monitor his contact and passed it onto the FBI and MI-6 in August or September.

4. The dossier also states that Carter Page may have coordinated the Rosneft Oil company deal for 19% of the company worth 11 billion (possibly as either a smaller stake of the 19% or the handling fees on the sale worth 600 million) as payment on promises that the Trump campaign would change the Republican platform on Ukraine, have Trump be more pro-Russia on Syria, Ukraine and Europe and lower or end sanctions if Trump somehow won the presidency.

TLDR/ Carter Page lied. Another part of the Dossier is partially confirmed. This is the first hard proof that we have that someone on the Trump campaign was a confirmed and recruited Russian intel source known to the FBI.

links to the Rosneft deal news in December:

http://tass.ru/ekonomika/3866013/amp
https://ria.ru/economy/20161214/1483571498.html

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Now for the really big thing that happened today:

The Washington Post is reporting from U.S., European and Arab intelligence sources that the head of 'Blackwater', Erik Prince acting on Trump's behalf in an unofficial capacity met with "A Russian" close to Putin to establish (possibly re-establish) a back door channel between Trump and Putin during the transition. Prince and the Putin official met apparently alone in the Seychilles with the UAE acting as the go between for the meeting. UAE representatives also met secretly with Trump in NY during the transition. This was an individual to individual meeting between Erik Prince and Putin's aide. No other people were in the room. The topic of the meeting was supposedly Iran with the Trump transition team and the UAE wanting Russia to distance itself from Iran but of course there are many, many deeper meanings to this back channel.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... eakingnews

Why this is important:

1. The Trump campaign broke ALL norms when they secretly set this individual to individual meeting up in an official capacity for the Trump Transition. The State Department was not notified. The Intelligence Services were not notified. They acted in secret both in the Seychelles and in NY to avoid federal knowledge of what they were meeting about. They knew the FBI had an ongoing investigation into contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian Intelligence and they hid this because of that.

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2. Prince of course is Betsy Devos's brother. Trump appointed Devos as education secretary. They come from an incredibly wealthy family. Their father made hundreds of millions in auto parts in Michigan. Devos married into the family who inherited billions from the Amway fortune and Prince has had many, many shady dealings as the head of 'Blackwater' and other "development" corporations. He's been under investigation by the FBI from everything from providing military support to dictators to human rights violations while providing mercenary protections. They're family also has connections to the Mercer family directed money flow to the Trump campaign and they have given hundreds of millions of dollars to the Republican party over the years.
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3. The UAE (United Arab Emirates) is connected to the Rosneft (large Russian oil company) deal mentioned in the Trump Russian Dossier. The sale of 19% of Rosneft (11 billion) and the handling fees (600 million) were mentioned as possible payments for more favorable actions by Trump towards Russia including ending sanctions. The sale has been incredibly sketchy since it happened around mid December. First the funding was mysterious with the Putin controlled Russian bank VTB providing a massive loan to unknown borrowers. Then the ownership of the 19% stake is still incredibly murky with it being partly owned by the Qatari Royal Fund controlled by the Qatari royal family and also a Swiss energy investment firm with a huge UAE investment share in it. Alone these wouldn't be suspicious, just Arab oil wealth investing in Russian oil companies but alongside the fact that almost a third of the 19% stake (worth 5 billion) is held by unknown Cayman Island holdings which haven't moved since being transferred there by so far unknown Russian transactions. The sale handling fee of almost 600 million is also hidden with no firm or investment group identified legally in the sale, yet the fee is still there.

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4. Prince has deep connections to Bannon and he was seen as Bannon's unofficial intelligence aide before the election and during the transition. He visited Trump tower many times during the transition. He has been on Bannon's radio show many times. He and Bannon talked on the air about how they wanted to radically change the U.S. intelligence services and Prince is seen as part of Bannon's sphere of trying to radically change the U.S. government in many ways.

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5. The Prince/Putin meeting happened right after the Steele Dossier was released without confirmation by Buzzfeed. The Flynn meetings happened right after critical knowledge about the FBI investigation became known by the Trump Campaign/Transition and right before direct actions by the Obama administration including Sanctions. The Carter Page contacts came immediately before the Russian Intelligence Wikileaks of the DNC and Clinton Campaign emails.

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6. The center of all of this espionage drama and the single reason why this article is blowing up the internet is the Putin>Rosneft>Alfa Bank contact with the secret server at Trump Tower that was revealed in September by Slate magazine. The server was then immediately shut down. This information came from the FBI investigation and other intel sources.

From Slate:

"When the researchers pinged the server, they received error messages. They concluded that the server was set to accept only incoming communication from a very small handful of IP addresses. A small portion of the logs showed communication with a server belonging to Michigan-based Spectrum Health."

The Spectrum/Alpha server connect started the day after Bannon joined the Trump campaign.

Spectrum Health is owned by Devos and her husband. Her husband runs it. Prince is on the board and listed as a corporate officer. Why in the hell would a secret server set up to only be pinged by IP addresses connected to a Russian bank controlled by Putin and Rosneft and a Michigan Healthcare company owned by Betsy Devos be active in Trump tower. If Prince is connected to Trump's Russia connections then he and this meeting maybe explains this server and it's function for secretly communicating between these IP addresses.
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TLDR/ Erik Prince of 'Blackwater' and Spectrum Health, the brother of Ed. Sec. Betsy Devos and friend of Bannon acted unofficially as a secret representative of Trump during a possibly illegal back channel meeting with Putin's associate in the Seychelles. This inclusion of Prince in the Russian investigation may explain the 'secret Trump tower server' that was set up to only communicate with Spectrum Health and the Putin controlled Alpha Bank along with several other as yet unknown IP addresses.

All of this information, the meeting, the server, etc... has been leaked from the FBI counter-intelligence investigation and from other Intelligence service intel gathering. The investigation will be ongoing for years and years.

Drip...

Drip..

Drip.

[Dallane]

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[TotalyMeow]

Meanwhile, Adam Schiff of the House Intelligence Committee says they have no definitive proof of the Trump campaign colluding with the Russians, and the MSM continues to ignore the fact that people in the Obama Administration (they're saying Susan Rice now as the main person) were illegally unmasking the names of Americans in intelligence reports and even more illegally making sure those reports were leaked to the press with the express purpose of interfering with Trump's campaign.

Buzzfeed is reporting from sources concerning a 2015 sealed court filing that former Trump Campaign aide Carter Page was directly recruited and passed documents to an SVR agent (Russian Foreign Intelligence Service) in New York City between 2013-2015. The SVR agent was part of a spy ring to get energy sector information from business contacts in the U.S. The SVR agent along with other Russians in the ring were charged in 2015 and fled the country. Page was questioned by the FBI counter-intelligence investigation team and admitted to giving the SVR agent energy sector information from business sources he worked with so as to improve his chance at working with the Russian oil firm Gazprom. He was not charged or investigated by the FBI at the time.

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1. Carter Page has repeatedly lied to the media since June about never having contacts with Russian Intelligence. This court filing proves he knew he had contact with an SVR agent, had been interviewed by the FBI about those contacts and then hid it. Within the last month he has admitted to non-specific contact with Russians through business ties but still denied direct contact with Russian Intelligence

It's probably worth noting that when a file is sealed, you don't have to talk about it and you can legally deny it ever happened. You behave as if it doesn't exist. Like when a child commits a felony, that record is sealed when they reach majority so that when they apply for a job and check "no" for "Have you ever been convicted of Felony", it is not a lie. The FBI saw fit to seal the file, it would mean that he was innocent or was otherwise able to help them in such a way that they saw fit to protect his reputation... until some criminal idiot leaked the information today.

[Claeyt]

Meanwhile, Adam Schiff of the House Intelligence Committee says they have no definitive proof of the Trump campaign colluding with the Russians,

Adam Schiff has said that but that doesn't include direct evidence from the FBI investigation. The HIC (House intelligence committee) does not receive hard evidence from ongoing FBI investigations. They can receive updates from Comey and answers to questions but they would not receive exact FBI evidence from an ongoing counter-intelligence investigation unless it related to oversight or unless it was leaked to them. HIC is an oversight committee. It investigates what the FBI is doing and why. It doesn't interfere in ongoing investigations.

That being said;

There is reportedly direct evidence Flynn tried to illegally cover up his meetings with the Russians. Flynn was interviewed by the FBI back in January before he became NSA. He may have lied then, he may have done other things. There is also direct evidence that he didn't report income given to him by Russia and Turkey. This may also be a crime and a court martial offense as he never resigned his commission and as a retired/active general was under U.S. Army code. The most damning proof they may have on him is that he talked about kidnapping Gulon and that would also be a felony.

Page and Stone may also be charged with directly receiving information concerning the hacks without telling the authorities about it. Both have now admitted that they had contact with Russian Intelligence or Russian administration figures and that they may have received information from them about the hacked and leaked emails before they were released by Wikileaks. Roger Stone has admitted he had direct contact with Wikileaks and Gucifer 2.0 and received PM's from them over social media. He also called the Podesta leaks a full 2 weeks before they were put on Wikileaks. At that time only the DNC leaks had happened and for him to call Podesta out by name is very, very suspicious that he received information about it.

We also may have our first proof of obstruction of justice coming this week if Flynn gets immunity.

and the MSM continues to ignore the fact that people in the Obama Administration (they're saying Susan Rice now as the main person) were illegally unmasking the names of Americans in intelligence reports and even more illegally making sure those reports were leaked to the press with the express purpose of interfering with Trump's campaign.

Well it looks like you watched that idiotic Fox and friends episode.

This is a White House distraction off the main topic of collusion and treason but I'll answer it for a second.

There is zero proof that any of the unmasked names were done illegally or that they were leaked. Unmasking by itself isn't illegal. Any unmasked names would have come from FOREIGN WIRETAPS not from the FBI and would have required permission from the FISA court. Something like 200 people can ask the FISA court to unmask a name but nobody can do it unilaterally. There are many, many reasons why a name can be unmasked and apparently Susan Rice did so because there was an active FBI counter-intelligence investigation INTO THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE UNMASKED. Comey (head of FBI) has said they weren't unmasked illegally both publicly at the HIC committee and on social media. Schiff has now said, after seeing Nunes' spoon fed nonsense from the WH, that there was nothing that couldn't be shown the whole HIC and nothing illegal from what he could see. The head of the NSA Rogers has said that it's nonsense. The Republican and Democratic heads of the Senate Intelligence committee have now seen it and have said that none of it seems illegal. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY THE WHITE HOUSE HAS SEEN IT AND PROBABLY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND NEITHER HAVE ASKED THE FBI TO LOOK INTO IT BECAUSE THEN COMEY WOULD TELL THEM IT'S NOT ILLEGAL. It's only a distraction for the HIC because they got Nunes to go along with it and nothing else.

At what point do you start believing every other intelligence administrator and not Nunes and Fox News for trying to feed you a distraction?

TLDR/Susan Rice can not unilaterally unmask anyone. Even if she asked the FISA court to unmask them, they would have had to approve it and she probably did it for the ongoing FBI investigation. So it's done. Fake news being used as a distraction fed by the WH to Nunes and Fox then to you.

Buzzfeed is reporting from sources concerning a 2015 sealed court filing

It's probably worth noting that when a file is sealed, you don't have to talk about it and you can legally deny it ever happened. You behave as if it doesn't exist. Like when a child commits a felony, that record is sealed when they reach majority so that when they apply for a job and check "no" for "Have you ever been convicted of Felony", it is not a lie. The FBI saw fit to seal the file, it would mean that he was innocent or was otherwise able to help them in such a way that they saw fit to protect his reputation... until some criminal idiot leaked the information today.

The pages were sealed because they were never in court due to a plea deal and were evidence from FBI counter-intelligence surveillance. Carter Page had no knowledge of the sealed pages. One of the 3 Russians indicted was charged and accepted a 30 month plea deal in federal prison. The other 2 left the country once he was arrested. It's important to know that they were only charged with 'acting as undocumented foreign agents', the smallest espionage charge. Basically they were performing espionage against energy companies for Russia. They did not attack the government directly. Page passed them documents of companies he was working with so as to gain business with Russian oil companies. The FBI questioned him and didn't pursue any charges against him but he would have known that they were investigating Russian Intelligence.

[Dallane]