A New Year for Salem

[Syndarn]

if the entire server at their mercy.

Well it's not like i would want to bulldoze the tribe or any other faction (country), if something like this would exist and i had my own faction and i would be strong enough. If i would want to do it, then there would have to be a very good reason for it. Besides if this would start then i suggest we clean the table of all previous diplomatical differences and start a new.

[Tylan]

A modest proposal, to be sure.

A very interesting and detailed assertion, and certainly the situation with lesser factions in the past and on other servers. But, and this is me attempting to speak as an unbiased outsider, what would the Tribe gain from relinquishing power or control of land? You said yourself that factions, cities, kingdoms, etc would rise up and have their own land. Wars etc would happen. To me, that sounds fun and exciting to participate in. However, why would a stable, self-supporting government willingly make itself smaller to encourage competition and opposition to gain a foothold?

[vienradzis]

i dont get you?
On any server you can get raided and killed.
On any server if you make crime you probably will be punished.

Dont want to pay treaty dont pay. Then its same as on other servers you will be raided or killed.

And why Tribe need to give up their land? They took it by force and hard work. Now some ***** ***** in forums so they need to give up what they worked for?

You speak about some villages factions and some other ideas. If you want land where tribe dont go take it whit force. Make your faction, write your constitution. Do your work not dream about some **** and wait for other to give it to you. Even if you wanted others to **** in your mouth. You lie down open mouth probably even then noone will **** in it, or maybe some just to laugh at you.

[Syndarn]

A very interesting and detailed assertion, and certainly the situation with lesser factions in the past and on other servers. But, and this is me attempting to speak as an unbiased outsider, what would the Tribe gain from relinquishing power or control of land? You said yourself that factions, cities, kingdoms, etc would rise up and have their own land. Wars etc would happen. To me, that sounds fun and exciting to participate in. However, why would a stable, self-supporting government willingly make itself smaller to encourage competition and opposition to gain a foothold?

Well you should ask yourself that do you really need all that land to begin with?. Then secondly if you would give it up that would make the server more appealing to settle on. Wich i am assuming is one of your goals, to get more players on plymouth. That would be a fair chance. I don't see how fair it is if you are like for example 10 players owning the whole map. And then you only give the option to stuff 50+ players on a small claim called the reservation. Only asians could trive there cause they are immune to claustrophobia. (joke). Anyways. We can probably agree on that your current tactic doesn't seem to make Plymouth very appealing to play on. That's why most of you are now playing on Roanoke instead because Plymouth got boring. And that is entirely the tribes own fault.

[Syndarn]

And why Tribe need to give up their land? They took it by force and hard work.

I don't think the Tribe ever really thought it through when they conquered Plymouth. Or at the very least it does not seem like it.

Now some ***** ***** in forums so they need to give up what they worked for?

What part of my post is considered *****? and on the why. Well take a moment a reflect on the situation and what it could be like if things were different, and then think of what it is now. You should see that something clearly is not right with that server.

[Tylan]

Well you should ask yourself that do you really need all that land to begin with?. Then secondly if you would give it up that would make the server more appealing to settle on. Wich i am assuming is one of your goals, to get more players on plymouth. That would be a fair chance. I don't see how fair it is if you are like for example 10 players owning the whole map. And then you only give the option to stuff 50+ players on a small claim called the reservation. Only asians could trive there cause they are immune to claustrophobia. (joke). Anyways. We can probably agree on that your current tactic doesn't seem to make Plymouth very appealing to play on. That's why most of you are now playing on Roanoke instead because Plymouth got boring. And that is entirely the tribes own fault.

Your suggestion hinges on the assumption that we are either bored or that we don't like the current state of Plymouth, at least enough to have a want to give up power in exchange for people. Those assumptions are incorrect, as is your assumption that we are playing instead on Roanoke as opposed to playing on all servers. Our goings-on of Roanoke are simply the most publicized as a result of Roanoke's high crime rate which brings us over there in the first place.

The Treaty does nothing without its enforcement and we would be a poor government to allow lawlessness in a corner of the map where it can fester and grow into something unsightly. Legitimate individuals or towns are more than capable of establishing themselves on Plymouth with the current landscape. As a matter of fact, and here's a HUGE spoiler for you, you could technically go on Plymouth in an obscure area and thrive undiscovered, possibly forever. It's unlikely, and of course if you are found you would be dealt with per the laws of the server, but like Mikus said, that's the same you'd get on Roa or JT should a raiding party discover your location.

Unless you can come up with a way that less of a claim over the map is a good thing for the Tribe, I don't see things changing any time soon.

[Syndarn]

Your suggestion hinges on the assumption that.....

Well yes. I need to make many assumptions to build up a picture. But that aside. Let's take it slowly. You didn't answer this.

Do you really need all that land? and if you do. Why. How do you justify this in a fair way?

-Kruger

[Tylan]

Your suggestion hinges on the assumption that.....

Well yes. I need to make many assumptions to build up a picture. But that aside. Let's take it slowly. You didn't answer this.

Do you really need all that land? and if you do. Why. How do you justify this in a fair way?

-Kruger

Yes, but not in the way you're thinking. First of all, as the protectors of Mother Nature given form by the Great Spirit, it's our duty to protect the land against the injustices of the White Man.

Also important, though, is to note that we don't actually "use" all the land to make owning it beneficial. Think of it as a apartment complex owned by some real estate firm. By owning the apartments, insuring the complex, including a private security system, etc, the firm can make sure that property doesn't become a ghetto. They can refuse the meth heads and place restrictions on behavior of tenants to ensure they don't become unruly to make their neighborhood more wholesome. Plus they can capitalize off renting the units and justify the rent by providing services that cannot be offered to some other, less attractive apartment locations.

I truly do not see how you can see this model as being unfair.

[Syndarn]

Yes, but not in the way you're thinking. First of all, as the protectors of Mother Nature given form by the Great Spirit, it's our duty to protect the land against the injustices of the White Man.

Question: What is a injustice of the White Man?

Question 2: If i teoretically made a character on plymouth and claimed to be indian and i would also pray to the Great Spirit and protect mother nature? would i be left in peace? Because i would do the same thing as you.

Also important, though, is to note that we don't actually "use" all the land to make owning it beneficial. Think of it as a apartment complex owned by some real estate firm. By owning the apartments, insuring the complex, including a private security system, etc, the firm can make sure that property doesn't become a ghetto. They can refuse the meth heads and place restrictions on behavior of tenants to ensure they don't become unruly to make their neighborhood more wholesome. Plus they can capitalize off renting the units and justify the rent by providing services that cannot be offered to some other, less attractive apartment locations.

I truly do not see how you can see this model as being unfair.

That does make sense in a quite riddiculous way, but it doesn't give much leeway to others who would want to conduct their business freely on the server without having to cross swords with you. In that way it is not fair. Maybe i wouldn't want protection from you? just want to be left alone to eat my berries and live in a leanto, maybe catch a fish or two and not even want to build anything bigger. Just travel around and have fun.

[Tylan]

Question: What is a injustice of the White Man?

Question 2: If i teoretically made a character on plymouth and claimed to be indian and i would also pray to the Great Spirit and protect mother nature? would i be left in peace? Because i would do the same thing as you.

For injustices, see link: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=885

Claiming to be a member of the MM Tribe does not simply make you a member of the MM Tribe. There is a vision quest process, something most do not live through, which allows you the freedom to roam Plymouth in sync with Mother Nature. I believe you could also apply to be a native sqaw, but our teepees may be full at the moment.

Maybe i wouldn't want protection from you? just want to be left alone to eat my berries and live in a leanto, maybe catch a fish or two and not even want to build anything bigger. Just travel around and have fun.

Then congratulations! Plymouth is not for you! However, if you don't mind protection from us and the payment for said protection at a very reasonable cost, then you'll never find a better server in which to do all those other things.