Let's have that political discussion.

[Darwoth]

The supposed "house of cards" isn't about to fall.

[Claeyt]

pay close attention folks, when the country becomes balkanized and splits (along pretty much the same lines as the civil war) it will be because of people like claeyt.

...and there we have it. Darwoth WANTS another Civil War in America.

Jesus Christ you communists are thick.

in·sol·vent (n-slvnt)
adj.
1.
a. Unable to meet debts or discharge liabilities; bankrupt.
b. Insufficient to meet all debts, as an estate or fund.
2. Of or relating to bankrupt persons or entities.
n.
A bankrupt.

You're absolutely right Jorb. We should turn away from the philosophy of Reaganomics and go back to taxing ourselves at the correct level to keep our deficit from growing out of hand. Re-instate pre-Reagan Tax levels now according to Jorb.

[Kandarim]

stuff

man, and I thought I was the only one that was drunk at this hour...

[jorb]

You're absolutely right Jorb. We should turn away from the philosophy of Reaganomics and go back to taxing ourselves at the correct level to keep our deficit from growing out of hand. Re-instate pre-Reagan Tax levels now according to Jorb.

You really do believe that there are meaningful differences between the administrations of the various Emperors, don't you?

Hint: There aren't.

... but, sure, raising present taxes is infinitely better than -- as is now instead the case -- foisting the debt burden for your wasteful, gluttonous, profligate welfare state on future generations through various underhand means of deferred payment, i.e. lending and inflation. It also gives people a far better idea of the actual costs of the welfare-warfare state, which is precisely why the political class shamelessly strives to obscure those at every turn of the manufactured narrative that passes for political debate.

Raising present taxes to the point where medicare, medicaid and social security are fully funded -- along, of course, with the maintenance of the empire abroad -- would also make it painfully obvious just exactly how broke your Washington and Wall S:t friends -- or rather their tax-paying serfs -- are.

Your precious commie-care is a piece of legislation drafted, written and paid for by big insurance and big pharma. You are acting as a shill for the corporate state and imperialism.

[jorb]

Of course, if the budget through some miracle of God or the Devil ever did become balanced, your buddies with the whips would only, true to form, take that as an excuse to go burn another fantasillion megabucks on yet another round of meth and a cheap hookers, or the socio-economic equivalents thereof, namely bombs and welfare spending.

[Darwoth]

...and there we have it. Darwoth WANTS another Civil War in America.

i did not say anything about a civil war you stupid little piece of ****, i said the country would become balkanized (news flash, it has been for decades already and gets worse every year) and eventually split, which it will.

there are secessionist movements in nearly half of the states already, even maine wants to secede. texas just signed a petition with 150,000 signatures to secede, every state has the legal right to secede, montana has stated they will arrest the feds if they are caught in their state trying to enforce federal gun control laws, the free state project and numerous knock offs thereof, even the liberal ***** states are at odds with the feds over their pot laws. i could go on and on.

at the end of the day what it comes down to claeyt is that real americans (like me) mostly just want to be left alone to pursue our lives as we see fit and let our neighbors do the same. communist ***** like yourself find this unacceptable and want to tell us how to spend our money, what we can do, where we can live, what we have to eat, what kind of car to drive, that we must defile our houses of worship, that we must hold our tongue for fear of offending someone, that we must indoctrinate our children in your idealogy and on and on all in the name of controlling our lives.

you need us, we do not need (or want) you.

all of your posts, all of your ***** is just that. *****. your entire philosophy is built upon stealing the lifesblood of others to use as you see fit. and that is why throughout history your type pushes and pushes, and takes and takes until there is nothing left to take so you think of new things to take, then the producers try to leave only to be told they cannot leave.

and that is when things get interesting.

[jorb]

then the producers try to leave only to be told they cannot leave.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republikflucht

[MagicManICT]

every state has the legal right to secede

Where is this written in the Constitution of the US? I'm not a legal scholar, but if I recall my government classes correctly, it's a bit like the Crips. You can join, but you can never leave.

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about the comment above about negotiations:

http://lybio.net/tag/the-newsroom-tea-p ... an-quotes/
I encourage people to read this entire statement from the series on HBO "The Newsroom." It might seem a left-wing rant, but it really is a centrist opinion any sensible person should attend to. However, for the statement above, I'd like to point out the following excerpt:

[Will McAvoy]
It’s ironic because the biggest enemy of the phony Republican isn’t Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid or Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama. It’s this man. [image of Jesus Christ displays]. He said ‘Heal the sick. Feed the hungry. Care for the weakest among us. And always pray in private. ‘

[Will McAvoy - Reads On The Screen]
Ideological purity
Compromise as weakness
A fundamentalist belief in scriptural literalism
Denying science
Unmoved by facts
Undeterred by new information
A hostile fear of progress
A demonization of education
A need to control women’s bodies
Severe xenophobia
Tribal mentality
Intolerance of dissent
A pathological hatred of the US government

[Will McAvoy] Source: LYBIO.net
They can call themselves the Tea Party. They can call themselves Conservatives. And they can even call themselves Republicans. Though Republican’s certainly shouldn’t. But we should call them what they are: The American Taliban. And the American Taliban cannot survive if Dorothy Cooper is allowed to vote.

You can't negotiate with terrorists that are willing to hold a nation hostage to get what they want. Then again, maybe this nation needs to be held hostage for a while and realize how ridiculous some of its policies and spending are. But when did holding anyone hostage ever endear them to you or make for reasonable discussion? Stockholm syndrome aside....

edit: and I agree with jorb about the affordable healthcare act, but when you compare it with the current situation, it really is much better for the country than the status quo. Only if we could pass something reasonable like making euthanasia legal....

[jorb]

You can't negotiate with terrorists that are willing to hold a nation hostage to get what they want. Then again, maybe this nation needs to be held hostage for a while and realize how ridiculous some of its policies and spending are.

Why isn't it the president who is "holding the nation hostage" by insisting on reforms and expenses that the nation's budget manifestly does not allow for? I've seen this meme that the republicans are somehow extra specially guilty of the heinous crime of shutting down government make the rounds in the establishment press -- even here in the Swedish editions of Pravda internatnl. -- and again the term "manufactured narrative" strikes me as very apt, when the fundamental problem so obviously is that the nation's finances are simply not in order. The country is broke, and the excesses have been insisted upon by both parties, with the republicans clamoring for Empire abroad, and the democrats for bread and circuses at home.

Furthermore, the whole point of constitutional government is that minorities should be able to stop the machinery of the state, and that the temporary "will" of a temporary and construed "majority" of a couple of percent of all people with a pulse not be allowed to dictate every minutiae of public affairs at the expense of said minority, but I digress, as the term "constitutional government" hasn't been applicable to the United States for at least a couple of generations, arguably since the Civil War.

And, oh noes, less gubmint? The horror.

[Shill]

the fact claeyt has spent the entire thread trying to convince those that earn what they have that it is not only acceptable but desireable to give a large portion of their **** over to the dregs of society that do nothing but continue their parasitic way of life is just

pay close attention folks, when the country becomes balkanized and splits (along pretty much the same lines as the civil war) it will be because of people like claeyt.

Here in the states you have two choices:

Criminality

or

Benefits

If you do anything that would free you of benefits from the government, it is deemed criminal activity. Farm your own food? Enjoy walks in the woods? Raw milk? Oh goodness no! None of that. Its foodstamps and tax handouts, or jail. Take your pick.

I'm of a mind, when the split comes. I am heading south.

With Regards,

Shill the Thief