Your opinion about the Civil War in Ukraine

[Jalpha]

“The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations.”

― David M. Friedman

The peaceful protests pushed the government into reconsidering it's stance on the Ukraines relationship with the EU vs Russia (unless there's more to the story that I'm ignorant of or isn't making its way into mainstream media).

Why become violent? With peaceful protests a nation can find support from outside it's own borders without massive loss of civilian life. I understand it's difficult when the other side is moving towards violence.

[Brego]

It ain't war till they break out the artillery.

Vietnam was never a "war" as far as US involvement was concerned. There was plenty of artillery fired (and bombs dropped, lives lost, etc, etc). Yet I think the whole Irish/UK conflict was classified as a war, but that I know of (and I didn't follow it closely or have read about it since it was in the news on a regular basis in the US), it was classified as a war.

But I get what you're saying. Until you lay in bed at night worried about a misfired shell falling on your head, you're not really in a war.

Do You understand the difference between war and civil war?
read more please........
I am shocked that you can not even understand the word and the concept of civil war.
The Civil War - a large-scale armed confrontation between organized groups within states or, more rarely, between nations were part of the earlier single unified state. The purpose of the parties, as a rule, is to seize power in the country or in a particular region, the region's independence, or a change of government policy

War - a conflict between political entities - states, tribes, political groups, etc. - takes place in the form of armed confrontation, military (combat) between their armed forces.As a rule, the war aims to impose its will opponent. One subject of politics is trying to change the behavior of another, to make him give up their freedom, ideology, from property rights to give resources: territory, waters and other

read more !!!!

[MagicManICT]

Why become violent? With peaceful protests a nation can find support from outside it's own borders without massive loss of civilian life. I understand it's difficult when the other side is moving towards violence.

Weren't tens (even hundreds?) of thousands of Indians slaughtered during the revolt against the British Empire?* Peaceful protests and civil disobedience is hardly without costs. I can say that there have been lives lost in the US just during the 60s from civil disobedience and overzealous cops.

*I can't seem to find a clear number out there in the cloud, but seems like over 10k is in my head for some reason (and could well be wrong <shrug>).

[Jalpha]

Yes, you could also say the same for the Tiananmen Square incident.

However times have changed from the days when the British Empire killed any dissenters and the Ukraine isn't the isolated, insular nation that China once was.

I agree that loss of life occurs frequently even during peaceful revolutions, but not on the scale which would be reached were war to occur.

[Potjeh]

The Civil War - a large-scale armed confrontation between organized groups within states or, more rarely, between nations were part of the earlier single unified state. The purpose of the parties, as a rule, is to seize power in the country or in a particular region, the region's independence, or a change of government policy

Wrong part highlighted, FTFY

Anyhow, actual open war is the last thing you want, just look at Syria. If the international community is doing ***** all there on account of Russia being against intervention, you can imagine how little they'll do about open war in Ukraine, which is so much more in the Russian zone of influence. But while the West may not intervene, Russia certainly will, and this will involve violent suppression of the pro-EU faction (it wouldn't surprise me if they got thrown in concentration camps) and installment of a puppet government in Ukraine.

[Brego]

The Civil War - a large-scale armed confrontation between organized groups within states or, more rarely, between nations were part of the earlier single unified state. The purpose of the parties, as a rule, is to seize power in the country or in a particular region, the region's independence, or a change of government policy

Wrong part highlighted, FTFY

Anyhow, actual open war is the last thing you want, just look at Syria. If the international community is doing ***** all there on account of Russia being against intervention, you can imagine how little they'll do about open war in Ukraine, which is so much more in the Russian zone of influence. But while the West may not intervene, Russia certainly will, and this will involve violent suppression of the pro-EU faction (it wouldn't surprise me if they got thrown in concentration camps) and installment of a puppet government in Ukraine.

i can not translate so hard words in my meaning ,english not my native,please undarstand my phhrases as you can,but i showed you differeces of war and civil war.
And please do not discuss Syria that is not same .that is more harder .
Very interesting opinion.thanks.
But I think it's time to Ukraine to change their behavior and develop.

[Cawalox]

It might become a civil war but it still is not.
Further more youll never be free, world is dominated by capitalism and economically weak country as Ukrain has to depend on someone (doesnt matter if its EU or Russia) and there are no free rides.

The pictures you posted are beautiful! <3 the frosting on the burned down buses.

[Potjeh]

EU looks like the lesser evil, though.

[Cawalox]

I am not sure about that. Russia is closer their diplomatic and especially economic influence is stronger in the case of Ukrain. Politics dont allow you to simply chose who you like more. You need to chose the option that will bring you more benefits with less costs. Of course I am not the expert...

[Brego]

I am not sure about that. Russia is closer their diplomatic and especially economic influence is stronger in the case of Ukrain. Politics dont allow you to simply chose who you like more. You need to chose the option that will bring you more benefits with less costs. Of course I am not the expert...

Understand Russia and the great big country and the government can not afford even a riot, and that you take from the Ukraine?
If the president can not even speak properly to Ukrainian + he were in prison.
and how can we not think about what he wants from people.
My thought dictatorship ...
New laws, one of which, may condemn absentia.
I can not understand Ukraine. Was once the Orange Revolution which was entered in the history of Ukraine.
But why?
Where is the logic?
And by whom?
That's why people are fighting to change the government, for the future and freedom.