Your opinion about the Civil War in Ukraine

[Shill]

Well we have our hand in the cookie jar supplying aid and arms to these Jihadists who butcher children. We have a war to fight in regards to replacing our leaders first here at home. You never get to see videos like that on the news. It will destroy your paradigm, watching children be butchered. I was without a doubt 110% behind Bashar al-Assad after that. Clearly the lesser of two evils, and him being an evil is a matter of debate.

With Regards,

Shill the Thief

[naosnule]

Well we have our hand in the cookie jar supplying aid and arms to these Jihadists who butcher children. We have a war to fight in regards to replacing our leaders first here at home. You never get to see videos like that on the news. It will destroy your paradigm, watching children be butchered. I was without a doubt 110% behind Bashar al-Assad after that. Clearly the lesser of two evils, and him being an evil is a matter of debate.

With Regards,

Shill the Thief

Why should it matter who is evil and who isn't? What should matter is: what is best for the people of the country. And no, the most evil person does not necessarily mean that said person is the worst for the country.

[Brego]

Main square in capital.
20 February ,People preparing for very hard attacking....
All people are closed .All work in city was stopped.
Nobody can't enter city...
Madness.......
***** madness.....

[Claeyt]

I was watching the livestream yesterday when they rammed the personnel carrier with the mini turret into the makeshift wall under a hail of molotovs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQqHQUmDVhQ

I had it on through the night and got to watch as the protesters held the main camp against thousands of cops using live ammo and when dawn came up it was sort of amazing to see.


The main statue at the middle of the protesters defensive wall.


The main square last night


The ongoing gun battles.

But they held the square. I thought for sure the protesters were done for. By the end the police were throwing molotovs at the protesters trying to burn them out. Apparently there's a partial truce but the police are holding the line against what the prime minister is saying he agreed to with the protest leaders. The police did take back the central Kiev government buildings. It should be noted that these aren't the local Kiev police who refused to work with them. They're a national police force under the command of the government. The army and navy have both refused to participate in any action against the protesters.



The EU froze Ukrainian banking interests today and the US is going the same direction. The Polish Prime Minister is storming the EU calling for immediate sanctions. There's some sort of partial truce going on today apparently but it may not hold. If it does the 18th of February will be remembered as the turning point for Ukrainian populist democracy.

Eastern European populism always reminds me of this song even though it's Russian it's speaks about the struggle of the people against the power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zGf4hlzgYg

[Brego]

Ahah..
i think you can post here other news with Ukraine.
Good luck Claeyt.
I ***** it.
it is not so metter for people.

[Claeyt]

Ahah..
i think you can post here other news with Ukraine.
Good luck Claeyt.
I ***** it.
it is not so metter for people.

I'll try Biddas,

Like I said earlier, one of my best friends is married to a Ukrainian woman he met while working for an anti-nuke group working in Ukraine in the 90's, so I get all the news the day of from her. She turned me on to the beauty of Ukrainian Culture a long time ago. I've always wanted to visit Kiev.

For those Americans that don't understand the Euromaiden protest here are the basics:

Ukrainian demographics are split between the "Ukrainian" Western part of the country and the "Russian" Eastern part of the country by language and culture. The Western part and Kiev is generally more European.
The Orange Revolution was the first progressive protest.
It was a protest against voting irregularities by the Russian Faction led by Yanukovych.
The Russian Faction tried to poison the leader of that movement.
Once they were in power the Orange Revolution leaders failed to bring the country together with the Russian Faction and the revolution stalled.
The Russian faction and Yanukovych won the next election and illegally (according to the Human Rights Court) jailed the leaders of the Orange Revolution.
They changed the constitution to give the executive more power.
They repressed journalist and the opposition parties.
They canceled trade deals with Europe and instead borrowed massive amounts of money from Russia which sparked the current protest.
They tried to put harsh restrictions on peaceful protest actions which has led to greater and greater violence in the streets.
The protest movement has been calling for new elections and reforms back to the previous constitution.
A no confidence vote failed this last Tuesday but the Russian Faction of the government refused to allow amendments to it about the constitutional changes.
The protest has been growing throughout a long cold winter and has been happening in other cities besides Kiev.
The current government would not succeed in holding Parliament if elections were held.
The Protesters have seized various political and government buildings throughout the protest.
The government leaders are getting desperate and are using the national police to try and clear the main protest group at "Independence Square" in Kiev.
Over 30 people have died.
The EU and Western countries are imposing travel bans and sanctions on the government.
...that brings us to this week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIqbf81Bzoo

What the revolution is really about is the age old conflict in Ukraine.

Which way does the future lead? Towards Russia and the Oligarch Economy and the significant past they share with it's view of Ukraine as an outskirt of Russia or towards Europe and the EU with a westernization of it's economy away from manufacturing and energy with greater social/journalistic/economic/democratic freedoms and reforms. That's what this protest is really about.

[Brego]

Hard news soon!!!
People are still attacking ...
good work Claeyt.

[enemyunknown]

For those Americans that don't understand the Euromaiden protest here are the basics:

Some criminalized politicans want to take money and power from other criminalized politicans, who's actually the same *****, but already put their hands on Ukraine's money (i mean - money what Russia gave to Ukraine).

And a lot of retards, who's killing each other while thinking they fight for something worth. That's all.

[Brego]

For those Americans that don't understand the Euromaiden protest here are the basics:

Some criminalized politicans want to take money and power from other criminalized politicans, who's actually the same *****, but already put their hands on Ukraine's money (i mean - money what Russia gave to Ukraine).

And a lot of retards, who's killing each other while thinking they fight for something worth. That's all.

I'm really thinking about your IQ my dear.........
Very low....

[enemyunknown]

I'm really thinking

What a surprise.