Telemetry Data Collection Coming to Win7

[HolyLight]

Its scared how much they already can know of you and most people do not even realise that. Three examples from last year on my uni: I had to make a linkedin profile and I seriously coudn´t skip it, there was no way to skip it and I had to do it in order to get my credits and it had to include quite a bit. They also whined multiple times about the fact that I had no facebook and therefore missed many important so called notifications. At last they expected that I created a whatsapp and that I checked it around once a hour orso. No seriously ***** no, I coudn't let people wait for a couple hours, they actually prefered that I would reply instantly. There is no way around all this crap now anymore since its all normal and you are a complete weirdo when you don't follow the masses.

Everyone has everything nowadays but they have no ***** clue that they have no privacy left anymore.

Freedom is an illusion, we are more controlled, more monitored and more slaves today than people were 1000 years ago.

[MagicManICT]

Freedom is an illusion, we are more controlled, more monitored and more slaves today than people were 1000 years ago.

Even just 100 years ago. People put up with the bull because of the illusion of safety and convenience.

[Rubberduckbandit]

What exactly does this do if these people know your business, you aren't important enough for them to have you marked other than no. 12393645 and move on, i mean if you really don't like this you can go to mexico or banco de brazil where windows 95 is probably all the rage, and they chop off your head for making eye contact with some random cartel, and even there the information they can get off of you is much worse.

[MagicManICT]

Let's call it paranoia. If someone knows a thing about you, they can use that thing to do you harm. Let's say you ***** up and end up in a trial over a killing. Was it murder? Was it self defense? I don't know, the jury sure doesn't know, but I can tell you the government will pull anything and everything they can to make it look like a murder. Said a bad word about the guy? It'll show up in court. Talk about using a few drugs or drinking too much? It'll show up in court. It will all be used to paint a negative picture of you.

Remember, you have a right to remain silent. Anything you can and will be used against you in a court of law, and that includes any data that you decidedly or ignorantly allow to be collected.

Most likely this will all just be used to "improve" Windows and Microsoft products, maybe sell some more advertising, but can we really be sure that is the only thing it gets used for in this age of networked everything, cloud computing, and everyone with a data list to steal getting hacked?

[Procne]

I'm not that worried about someone being able to spy on me. Because if they want they WILL spy on me anyway. I have bigger problem with all this data being collected and stored somewhere... Maybe someday someone will decide to make a use of it. Maybe it will be stolen. Maybe some employee will have fun with it. Maybe MS will sell it to someone. The point is you don't know who and when will have access to this data. And all those privacy policies are bullcrap - MS (or any other entity with your data, including Salem devs) can promise all they want that your data is safe and noone will have access to it. But when someone does use it - what can you do? How are you going to prove that XXXX sold your data to YYY?

[alloin]

Let's call it paranoia. If someone knows a thing about you, they can use that thing to do you harm. Let's say you ***** up and end up in a trial over a killing. Was it murder? Was it self defense? I don't know, the jury sure doesn't know, but I can tell you the government will pull anything and everything they can to make it look like a murder. Said a bad word about the guy? It'll show up in court. Talk about using a few drugs or drinking too much? It'll show up in court. It will all be used to paint a negative picture of you.

Remember, you have a right to remain silent. Anything you can and will be used against you in a court of law, and that includes any data that you decidedly or ignorantly allow to be collected.

Most likely this will all just be used to "improve" Windows and Microsoft products, maybe sell some more advertising, but can we really be sure that is the only thing it gets used for in this age of networked everything, cloud computing, and everyone with a data list to steal getting hacked?

QFT

Are you a suspect in a murder-case even though you didn't do it? Does your history shows searches on 'guns','bombs' & 'how to kill a person' & lots of pageviews on liveleak?
You'll need a damn good lawyer to talk you out of it, because you'll be suspect nr 1 (if no other clear evidence is found ofcourse)

[Rubberduckbandit]

Let's call it paranoia. If someone knows a thing about you, they can use that thing to do you harm. Let's say you ***** up and end up in a trial over a killing. Was it murder? Was it self defense? I don't know, the jury sure doesn't know, but I can tell you the government will pull anything and everything they can to make it look like a murder. Said a bad word about the guy? It'll show up in court. Talk about using a few drugs or drinking too much? It'll show up in court. It will all be used to paint a negative picture of you.

Remember, you have a right to remain silent. Anything you can and will be used against you in a court of law, and that includes any data that you decidedly or ignorantly allow to be collected.

Most likely this will all just be used to "improve" Windows and Microsoft products, maybe sell some more advertising, but can we really be sure that is the only thing it gets used for in this age of networked everything, cloud computing, and everyone with a data list to steal getting hacked?

QFT

Are you a suspect in a murder-case even though you didn't do it? Does your history shows searches on 'guns','bombs' & 'how to kill a person' & lots of pageviews on liveleak?
You'll need a damn good lawyer to talk you out of it, because you'll be suspect nr 1 (if no other clear evidence is found ofcourse)

You'd be surprised, a public defender got a guy out of a murder that he had committed, and everyone knew he did it, and he managed to get a change of venue which is almost impossible to do for a case like his, and he was so convincing he got the jury to all agree unanimously on the vote that he was innocent, only to later find the pictures of the murder months after he had been acquitted, and nobody could touch him because of double jeopardy.

[MagicManICT]

Killers (and others) walk and innocent people go to prison. The right and wrong lawyers can make or break a case, but still, don't make it easy for anyone to hack you or put you on trial.

[Procne]

Killers (and others) walk and innocent people go to prison. The right and wrong lawyers can make or break a case, but still, don't make it easy for anyone to hack you or put you on trial.

This argument works both ways. This info might as well save you from someone trying to frame you. Oh wait, no, because it's not you having this kind of info but the corporation gathering it and any other entity the data was sold / given to.

[MagicManICT]

This argument works both ways

You're quite right. it does work both ways. The problem is when you want to go retrieve said collected data from some corporate databank. not only do YOU have to pay the right people to sift through it all (expert testimony is far from cheap), you usually end up having to pay the company a fairly good sized sum in compensation for the time to pull that data. Sure the government does the same, but they get this pretty large pool of funds for such legal activities. Mid and large sized companies do, too. Most individuals don't have those sort of resources, and I can tell you the public defenders office sure can't help there if you happen to be looking at criminal charges and your only defense is a digital footprint you can't access yourself sitting on somebody's server.

On the other hand, there's nothing wrong with logging all your own activities. Keep it all under lock and key with healthy encryption. if it comes down to a courtroom, anyone saying you might have faked your logs then has to prove you did so. That would be perjury (or worse) if you did and were caught, or grounds for a libel or defamation suit if they actually tried to declare it without reasonable evidence.

All I'm saying is don't let Microsoft, Facebook, Google, or anyone else have access to your activities. They might mean well with it, but they have little control over what happens to their (your) data when things go sideways. it's those sideways problems that could leave you without a house, car, job, or possibly worse.