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Re: Our new President is a piss soaked Russian double agent

Postby Bleuwulf » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:00 am

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I kinda enjoy how people round here "argue" with me by merely rephrasing the exact same point i made in the first place... :lol: :lol:
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Re: Our new President is a piss soaked Russian double agent

Postby Claeyt » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:33 am

Breaking news:

CNN commentator along with others over social media are saying that Michael Flynn has agreed to an immunity deal with the FBI. This is not confirmed yet but it would explain why he hasn't spoken in months and why the White House was forcing Nunes into panic mode.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/25/did-m ... ight-have/

It's also coming out today that Nunes attended one of Flynn's meetings with the Turkish Foreign Minister where he talked about kidnapping Gulen and sending him to Turkey. Flynn was acting and being payed as a Turkish foreign agent and was also receiving intel reports with Trump as this time, all of which was illegal. If Nunes had knowledge of this, he's in deep ****.

https://twitter.com/yottapoint/status/8 ... 7764845568
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Re: Our new President is a piss soaked Russian double agent

Postby Claeyt » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:45 am

jakhollin wrote:Cleayt will find this interesting! Evidence located of Russians hacking Americans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U8w3F2VzYo


Well what a week it's been.

First off, 2 different new parts of the Steele Dossier have fleshed out with one of them now being confirmed by CIA sources:

1. The BBC is reporting that CIA sources are confirming that former MI-6 officer Steele was correct in saying that Former Russian Foreign Ministry official Mikhail Kalugin WAS in fact a spy using diplomatic protection while working in the U.S. and that further information is pointing to him as being involved in the U.S. election operation.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39435786

2. Sergei Millian may be the next Russian to die. The Washington Post and Wall Street Journal are reporting that they have confirmed that 'Source D' of the Steele Dossier may have gotten his information from 2 sources working with the Russian Government over the last 6 years. 'Source D' is the most controversial of all the charges against Trump as they are the one concerning the hookers and pee video of Trump in Moscow and also that the Russians were feeding Trump information. WaPo and the Wall Street Journal are both confirming that one of these sources was Sergei Millian a Russian businessman working in real estate in Atlanta. Millian and his company had worked for the Russian Foreign Service as translation teams. It's unknown how Millian may have gotten the information or how long he had been working with Trump. Millian may have only had circumstantial meetings with Trump himself as only one picture and one confirmed meeting took place but he may have had more meetings with Trump lawyer Richard Cohen and Millian has confirmed himself that he had meetings with Trump campaign foreign policy official George Papadopoulos. Trump's team and Cohen have all said that Millian had little to no contact with anything Trump but WaPo confirmed that Millian was given VIP passes to the Inauguration and to a party for Reince Priebus. :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

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The entire Nunes debacle has been hilarious. Nunes intentionally sandbags the House investigation after getting instructions from the White House in a late night Uber ride to the meeting. The Uber driver confirms that Nunes went to the White House. Nunes at first denies it then refuses to say who signed him in or who he met there. Nunes is apparently trying to block former acting AG from testifying in open session after being told to do so by Trump's administration. Yates apparently was going to confirm that disgraced former NSA head Flynn had obstructed justice and tried to cover-up his contacts with the Russian Ambassador and what they talked about. Trump apparently wanted to secretly vet Yates's testimony so as to claim executive privilege but she refused and said he must do so openly in the committee hearings. The Democrats are having none of it and are calling on Yates to testify.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... story.html

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/devin- ... -official/

Luckily the Senate investigation is just getting started.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/29/politics/ ... d=35984626

Lindsey Graham, McCain and 3 other Republican Senators are now calling for an independent select committee with subpoena powers to be formed after the Trump administration said they would veto any bill creating a special prosecutor.
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Re: Our new President is a piss soaked Russian double agent

Postby TotalyMeow » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:07 pm

There's still no there there, Claeyt. So far, the most scandalous thing is all this is that Obama administration members needlessly unmasked the names of American citizens and then leaked them to the press. Two things which are illegal. This 'scandal' will continue in the news mainly because this is a tactic the press uses to discredit a president for the future. They did the same thing to Bush, hyping up fake scandal after fake scandal until he finally did something questionable during the Katrina disaster and they had the 'background' to declare that he was clearly a crap president and a horrible person. They'll do the same to Trump.

Are you aware that when Spicer made a joke that if Trump puts Russian salad dressing on his lettuce, the media will call it a Russian connection, CNN actually tried to make a scandal out of that? They did a whole story on how Russian dressing isn't really for salads and how it was invented in New Jersey.

As for this:
Claeyt wrote:1. The BBC is reporting that CIA sources are confirming that former MI-6 officer Steele was correct in saying that Former Russian Foreign Ministry official Mikhail Kalugin WAS in fact a spy using diplomatic protection while working in the U.S. and that further information is pointing to him as being involved in the U.S. election operation.

Maybe you know less about governance than I thought you did, but it has been the primary job of every diplomat in the history of civilization to spy for their government and do their best to charm information out of local citizens, try to develop potential information sources, manipulate the local government, and otherwise do everything they can to benefit their own country. Negotiating treaties and the like is often their secondary purpose. Our diplomats, at least the ones to any major countries, are spies trained by the CIA; this is a "Well duh," kinda story.
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Re: Our new President is a piss soaked Russian double agent

Postby Claeyt » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:59 am

TotalyMeow wrote:There's still no there there, Claeyt.


Sure, Tmeow. Keep telling yourself that to assure your mind that you voted for the right person.

Meanwhile Breaking tonight.

1. Multiple news sources are reporting that Flynn is offering to testify against the Trump administration AND campaign about their ties to Russian Intelligence in exchange for immunity.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... r-immunity

and if that wasn't enough today.

2. The NYT is reporting the names of the 2 people who fed classified information to current HIC chair Nunes so as the 3 of them could try and confirm Trump's tweets, attack Yates testimony concerning Flynn's cover-up and distract us all from the Russia investigation. FBI sources are now saying that they are possibly facing Obstruction of Justice investigations over this. They have been identified as NSC staffer Ezra Cohen-Watnick and Michael Ellis a White House lawyer who works on national security issues. Cohen-Watnick was brought in by Flynn but he has long ties to Trump's son in law Kuchner and Bannon. The current National Security Adviser McMaster immediately moved tried to move Cohen-Watnick when he took office but was stopped when Kuchner and Bannon intervened directly with Trump. He is viewed as Kuchner's man in the NSC and an ally of Bannon in the NSC. Ellis used to work for Nunes on the House Intelligence Committee (HIC) and is the one who brought Nunes into the plan to attack the HIC investigation.

Edit: WaPo is adding NSC chief lawyer John Eisenburg to the HIC Nunes Obstruction of Justice operation. He apparently approved it for Cohen-Watnick and Ellis.

"This has now moved from spin to obstruction of justice."- former Sen. McCain chief of staff

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/us/p ... v=top-news

What all of this about Nunes, White House aides and inel leaks about FBI raw data means deep down is that the White House is SPYING on the FBI and it's investigation.

https://tcf.org/content/commentary/trum ... pying-fbi/

A lot of other news about Russia is also flying under the radar today:

The Senate Intelligence Investigation began today with national security experts testifying about how the Russians did it.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?426227-10 ... an-hackers

The FBI is confirming that the Russians also tried to hack Trump's Republican opponents in the primaries.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/s ... am/2318634

TotalyMeow wrote:As for this:
Claeyt wrote:1. The BBC is reporting that CIA sources are confirming that former MI-6 officer Steele was correct in saying that Former Russian Foreign Ministry official Mikhail Kalugin WAS in fact a spy using diplomatic protection while working in the U.S. and that further information is pointing to him as being involved in the U.S. election operation.

Maybe you know less about governance than I thought you did, but it has been the primary job of every diplomat in the history of civilization to spy for their government and do their best to charm information out of local citizens, try to develop potential information sources, manipulate the local government, and otherwise do everything they can to benefit their own country. Negotiating treaties and the like is often their secondary purpose. Our diplomats, at least the ones to any major countries, are spies trained by the CIA; this is a "Well duh," kinda story.


The point of this confirmation isn't that Kalugin was confirmed to be deeply involved in the U.S. election operation. It's that this info came from a Steele/MI-6 source and that source told the truth months before Kalugin was outed as involved and pulled out of the country by the Russians. This type of confirmation is used by intelligence services to show how true a source's information is. This means that 'Source B' was telling the truth in Steele's Trump Dossier and he/she may be telling the truth about the rest of the stuff they told Steele. This means we can trust the information in the Trump Dossier more than we could last week and even more than we could last month.

Drip...

Drip..

Drip.
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Re: Our new President is a piss soaked Russian double agent

Postby TotalyMeow » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:20 am

Actually, if you follow any of the real news, you'd see that Trump is messing up big time at the moment. Though a lot of it isn't Trump but the Republicans in the House and Senate behaving like a bunch of *******. I'm really surprised you're so fixated on this fake stuff when there's actual real reasons for you to mock the Republicans right now. Sure Democrats aren't doing much better, both parties seem to be in a meltdown right now, but I'm sure you haven't noticed that either. :/

Edit: Regarding Flynn, probably a smart move on his part. He's one of what, two people whom some of the evidence suggests might have done something wrong? The FBI hasn't accepted his request though; perhaps there's nothing for him to tell, there's no evidence to that effect.
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Re: Our new President is a piss soaked Russian double agent

Postby Claeyt » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:36 am

TotalyMeow wrote:Actually, if you follow any of the real news, you'd see that Trump is messing up big time at the moment. Though a lot of it isn't Trump but the Republicans in the House and Senate behaving like a bunch of *******. I'm really surprised you're so fixated on this fake stuff when there's actual real reasons for you to mock the Republicans right now. Sure Democrats aren't doing much better, both parties seem to be in a meltdown right now, but I'm sure you haven't noticed that either. :/

Edit: Regarding Flynn, probably a smart move on his part. He's one of what, two people whom some of the evidence suggests might have done something wrong? The FBI hasn't accepted his request though; perhaps there's nothing for him to tell, there's no evidence to that effect.


Who cares about Trump and Ryan's idiotic policy fails and the civil war between Trump and the 'Freedom Caucus' when we're talking about obstruction of justice, collusion with Russian Intelligence and possible treason in the White House along with it all ending in impeachment.

The entire Trump era is a giant clown fiesta and it's only been 72 days.

I have no idea what you're talking about with the Democrats. They haven't done anything to hinder their agenda from what I can see. It looks like to me that they could literally just sit back for the next year and a half and watch it all crumble for Trump.

Also, How is any of this fake news? Flynn's lawyers himself have said that "He has a story to tell". Why do you still think that the illegal connections between Flynn the Trump Campaign and Russian Intelligence is fake if Flynn himself is seeking immunity from prosecution and offering up others?
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Re: Our new President is a piss soaked Russian double agent

Postby Dallane » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:51 am

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Re: Our new President is a piss soaked Russian double agent

Postby TotalyMeow » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:58 am

Claeyt wrote:How is any of this fake news? Flynn's lawyers himself have said that "He has a story to tell". Why do you still think that the illegal connections between Flynn the Trump Campaign and Russian Intelligence is fake if Flynn himself is seeking immunity from prosecution and offering up others?


My character is currently deseeding about 900 cotton puffs so I have some time...

Firstly, they'd be pretty stupid lawyers if they asked for immunity and then admitted that Flynn has bupkis.

Second, you can look at any major political campaign and almost any international business and find connections to foreign countries, some of them not always so friendly to us. But we still deal with them because that's how trade and diplomacy work. You'll find the same sort of communications happened in Hillary's campaign, in previous presidential campaigns, senators' campaigns, etc. So far, there have been some people in the Trump campaign talking to Russia, but no actual evidence of any collusion or wrongdoing except maybe some wrong done on the part of Flynn and Manafort. But they were both dumped immediately by Trump seemingly as soon as he found out about these possible wrongs. Have Trump and his staff handled some things poorly since then? Sure. They try to pretend silly things like they hardly know who Flynn is or Manafort was the equivalent of a volunteer phone canvasser, and that's rather idiotic. They make things look worse than they are and aren't helping themselves by doing it, but there's still just nothing there.

If you compare this to something like Watergate, this far into the investigation there were already several people in jail where the story started with a single source and two reporters no one believed for weeks. So far this has been the investigative power of the entire American press, several sources, a great deal of illegally leaked info, and several teams of FBI and other investigative departments and there hasn't even been an indictment. In my opinion, this will have little to no effect on the US as a whole or anyone's daily lives except perhaps the people in the Administration who might have their work affected by being made to use better passwords, more secure email practices, and other basic security precautions that most businesses use.

By contrast, what the Republicans do or don't do in the House and Senate will certainly have an impact on my life, my security, and my income at the very least. I find myself MUCH more concerned about that.
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Re: Our new President is a piss soaked Russian double agent

Postby Claeyt » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:21 am

TotalyMeow wrote:Firstly, they'd be pretty stupid lawyers if they asked for immunity and then admitted that Flynn has bupkis.

Second, you can look at any major political campaign and almost any international business and find connections to foreign countries, some of them not always so friendly to us.


First, Flynn is fishing for immunity. He is not being offered it. He is ASKING for it publicly through the press. This is bizarre beyond belief in most large investigations.

TotalyMeow wrote:You'll find the same sort of communications happened in Hillary's campaign, in previous presidential campaigns, senators' campaigns, etc. So far, there have been some people in the Trump campaign talking to Russia, but no actual evidence of any collusion or wrongdoing except maybe some wrong done on the part of Flynn and Manafort. But they were both dumped immediately by Trump seemingly as soon as he found out about these possible wrongs. Have Trump and his staff handled some things poorly since then? Sure. They try to pretend silly things like they hardly know who Flynn is or Manafort was the equivalent of a volunteer phone canvasser, and that's rather idiotic. They make things look worse than they are and aren't helping themselves by doing it, but there's still just nothing there.


It is absolutely false that this resembles anything that happened with the Hillary Campaign and contact with Russian players. Every single rational Republican, The FBI, The CIA and the NSA have now said that Russia targeted Clinton's campaign and this was not normal.

There is absolutely evidence now of people in Trump's campaign and during his transition possibly illegally talking with Russian Intelligence. Flynn is looking for immunity ffs. There is evidence of Flynn talking to Russians and Turkish government officials that may have been illegal and evidence of him lying about it. There is growing evidence of many, many people within the Trump administration hiding their contacts with Russians including Manafort.

I agree with you, the cover up is comically bad, but it is a cover up and only guilty people try to hide stuff like this.
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