The Trump / Russia Controversy

[saltmummy]

Like the articles he is posting, he is no longer reading your responses guys. This is just where he dumps titles he sees and assumes the content of.

[Dallane]

Like the articles he is posting, he is no longer reading your responses guys. This is just where he dumps titles he sees and assumes the content of.

Thats what happens when the already feeble mind of a shariablue cuck's narrative is destroyed nonstop. He is going to keep posting because he thinks he will get people "to see the light". In reality he has prolly turned more people to the far right.

In other news
COURT RULES THAT CNN OFFICIALLY PUTS OUT FAKE NEWS
http://www.infowars.com/court-rules-tha ... fake-news/

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[Claeyt]

Like the articles he is posting, he is no longer reading your responses guys. This is just where he dumps titles he sees and assumes the content of.

Of course I'm reading their responses. Like I explained before, Dallane's responses show that he has fully 'Drunk the Kool Aid' and I doubt that he will end his support of Trump until he's actually impeached. Tmeow's responses argue a point showing that although she is 'Sipping the Kool Aid' she is at least reading the news. Her point on the 100,000 National guard memo shows this. She is correctly pointing out that the memo is an executive branch immigration plan for more deportations and border patrol. Some of it is harsh but it's what Trump campaigned on and what the Republicans have called for for years. It's still unclear if the plan came from Miller and Trump's appointment to head ICE or if it came from or was just seen by senior officials in the Dept. of Homeland Security (DHS). Either way the White House is now saying that the memo is NOT "Fake News" anymore like they were earlier in the story and they are confirming that it was at least seen by people in DHS but that it definitely did not originate from the White House.

The only seriously bizarre thing coming from this Immigration memo is the use of National Guard units to round up illegal immigrants and the militarization of an ICE/DHS plan. These are both small parts of the memo but even if Tmeow wants to bury them in the entire 11 page memo, THEY ARE the most controversial parts of the memo.

The White House response to the memo leaking is also news worthy. They initially called it "Fake News" in their increasingly bizarre knee jerk reaction to stuff like this and then later that afternoon they confirmed the story to be true and that the memo was created. This is not how a White House is supposed to act when it comes to FACTS and NEWS. Normally a White House would say 'let me find out about it" and then a few hours later they would comment publicly or responded directly to the story or media source confirming or denying the memo. They then could have commented on their view of the memo and why it might be necessary. This did not happen. The AP (a incredibly reliable news source who seeks 3 sources before publishing and is respected worldwide) had asked for comment from the White House a full 24 hours before running the story. They provided a timeline for themselves running the story to the White House, they provided the memo to the White House and they asked for a response from the White House which would be included in the story. THE AP DID EVERYTHING BY THE BOOK AS A NEWS SOURCE SHOULD DO. The White House acknowledged receiving it and then never got back to the AP, and then yelled "FAKE NEWS" when the story ran the next day before confirming the memo wasn't fake hours later in the afternoon.

THIS IS NOT NORMAL, AND IS MAYBE EVEN MORE WORRYING THAN THE FACT THAT A MEMO EXISTS TO CALL UP THE NATIONAL GUARD TO DETAIN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN A REGIONAL DETENTION PLAN.

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MEANWHILE, BACK ON TOPIC

Reuters reported yesterday that the FBI currently has 3 expanding full investigations going on into the 'Russian Hacking Scandal' instead of the previously reported 1.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... SKBN15X0OE

What's new with this article:

1. The FBI sources are confirming that they are investigating connections between Russian Intelligence interests and front companies controlled by Trump associates.

2. They've corroborated other sources confirming the NYT story that quoted sources from the CIA and other intelligence services saying that there were connections between Russian Intelligence and the Trump campaign.

3. They've confirmed that the FBI is expanding the original FBI solo investigation into 3 and probably expanded the manpower behind it.

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This means that we now have a growing group of investigations of which these 9 are confirmed:

3 FBI investigations (DNC and HRC campaign hacking, Identifying Russian hacking source, Connections between Trump campaign and Russian Intelligence)

1 U.S. multi-departmental Intelligence Services counter-intelligence investigation (includes CIA, NSA and FBI)

5 Congressional Committee hearings of varying non-partisan amounts are now investigating the connections. The Senate Judiciary and Senate Intel committee are the least partisan so far with support from Russians for full investigations. Lindsey Graham's Senate Judiciary committee is already preparing subpoenas to question Flynn and his aides. The House Intel committee head David Nunes who was on the Trump campaign transition team is fighting tooth and nail to not have investigations but some requests from moderate Republicans are making it through. The House Judiciary also has an investigation into the election hacking only. The House Oversight committee which is the main open investigative committee is led by Jason Chaffetz and although he's allowed investigations into Flynn's speaking engagements in Russia he has not allowed any other investigations like the ongoing nonsense he had with Benghazi. His cowardly partisan bickering will go down in history when this all blows up. The House Oversight committee is the main committee to lead to open investigations that can be seen by the public that would lead to criminal prosecution. Because of Chaffetz's blind partisanship Democrats (and some Republicans) are calling for a Blue Ribbon (Non-partisan, equal amounts of Dems and Reps) commission to look into it and/or a Non-partisan "Open Committee" led by someone like Colin Powell to head the open inquiry. Republicans in congress are currently refusing to allow this but pressure is building.

There are also confirmed MI-6 and other foreign allied intel investigations into this (including Estonia, Lithuania, Poland, Germany, France, Czech and others). Some are coordinating with NATO and some are providing information to the CIA. Some are just leaking info directly to the press.

This is where we are now.

Drip....

Drip..

Drip.

[Dallane]

THIS IS NOT NORMAL, AND IS MAYBE EVEN MORE WORRYING THAN THE FACT THAT A MEMO EXISTS TO CALL UP THE NATIONAL GUARD TO DETAIN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN A REGIONAL DETENTION PLAN.

God forbid that law enforcement finally has resources to remove criminals from our country.

You still aren't reading what you post here.

[Claeyt]

Trump associates Michael Cohen (Trump Lawyer with ties to Russian Business), Felix Sater (Russian/American businessman who says he has represented Trump in real estate deals in Russia) and Andrii Artemenko (Ukrainian pro-Russia politician with ties to Paul Manafort) pushed an end to sanctions on Russia through the NSC via Flynn just before he was fired.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/us/p ... v=top-news

TPM opinion piece explaining the importance of the NYT article: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-b ... st-dropped

The plan called for blackmailing the current Ukrainian leadership and/or replacing them so as to come to peace terms with the Eastern rebels while also dropping demands from America and Europe that Russia must leave Crimea.

Earlier reports show that the FBI is investigating Cohen, Flynn, Sater and Manafort and 2 others for being in contact with Russian intelligence during the campaign.

Why is this news important?

If true, this report directly shows that Cohen and Sater still have contact and influence within the administration contrary to what Trump and other aides have said as recently as today when Priebus said there was no ongoing back channel contact with Russian Intelligence.

[TotalyMeow]

Yeah... it's super surprising that Trump, who has business interests all over the world, is going to have a few employees from Russia, and that some of them might try to lobby at him at some point. Wow, stop the presses.

The AP had asked for comment from the White House a full 24 hours before running the story. They provided a timeline for themselves running the story to the White House, they provided the memo to the White House and they asked for a response from the White House which would be included in the story. THE AP DID EVERYTHING BY THE BOOK AS A NEWS SOURCE SHOULD DO. The White House acknowledged receiving it and then never got back to the AP, and then yelled "FAKE NEWS" when the story ran the next day before confirming the memo wasn't fake hours later in the afternoon.

Don't be silly. The article says only that they asked for comment from the White House on late Thursday, from DHS early Friday, and then published their story. Unverified, with no other research done, and waiting only long enough to say "See, we sought comment!", as if one day is enough to track down a memo only a few people even knew about. So, yeah, the story was fake and it still is as that memo was never an official document. It physically existed, but it meant nothing. More's the pity, I would like to see the entire thing implemented, and I hope the public reaction convinces the WH to take another look at it.

[Claeyt]

Don't be silly. The article says only that they asked for comment from the White House on late Thursday, from DHS early Friday, and then published their story. Unverified, with no other research done, and waiting only long enough to say "See, we sought comment!", as if one day is enough to track down a memo only a few people even knew about. So, yeah, the story was fake and it still is as that memo was never an official document. It physically existed, but it meant nothing. More's the pity, I would like to see the entire thing implemented, and I hope the public reaction convinces the WH to take another look at it.

The memo IS an official document. It is a memo passed around within ICE administration as the AP reported and now we know from further reporting that it was read and passed on to others within the DNS. It is not an official White House document but it is an official government document.

There is nothing fake about the story, nothing whatsoever. I don't know why you'd even say that as a rational thinker after all the proof that it isn't fake in any way. The AP had the source who gave them the memo, the actual memo and further confirmation from other sources within ICE.

Why would you possibly want the President to militarize detentions within the United States by thousands of members of the National Guard. How are you not scared by that? Do you really want to see pics of members of the National Guard patrolling the walls of massive detention centers holding millions of people across the American Southwest? Do you want to see pics of hundreds of thousands of families, women and children inside thrown up tent city holding areas with armed American soldiers standing at fences with orders to shoot if they try and leave?

This is what this memo calls for.

[Dallane]

This is what this memo calls for.

No it doesn't. If you don't stop lying and throwing disinformation around then I'm going to start sending your post to hinnom.

[TotalyMeow]

Dude, what kind of echochamber have you been frequenting? The DOD helps law enforcement sometimes, same thing, if they even do this.

[Claeyt]

Dude, what kind of echochamber have you been frequenting? The DOD helps law enforcement sometimes, same thing, if they even do this.

The DOD does not help law enforcement sometimes from the federal level. That is absolutely false. The National Guard has only ever been called up by the governor of a state to act in a direct police action.

The National Guard has only been federalized within the borders of America 5 times since WWII.

1. Ike federalized the Arkansas Guards to enforce the Supreme Courts ruling allowing blacks to enter schools after they were called up by the governor to try and prevent it.

2. Johnson federalized them at Kent State for riot control using the insurrection act to call them up.

3. Clinton nationalized specific guard squads trained in close quarter combat from Alabama and Texas to participate in the Waco siege under the orders of the FBI.

4. 2005 for Hurricane Katrina. The Guards were given security duties (roadblocks and neighborhood patrols) but were always assigned with an armed police officer who had the power of arrest. The Guards were never given the power to arrest anyone during this deployment.

5. 2007 during a couple of huge blizzards across the midwest and plains. They only did supplies.

That's it. Every other riot or action you're thinking of were State Guard units under the control of governors and they were deputized by the governors at the state level if they were involved with any police powers.

Federalized State Guard Units are limited by Posse Comitatus laws, The 'Insurrection Act of 1807' and the 2007 and 2012 Defense Acts passed after 9/11 for the immediate use of the National Guard during the aftermath of a large terrorist event. Any long term deployment for a police action like what the memo calls for would be illegal under current law and changes would require congressional approval.