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Taipion wrote:
I can make a proper argument, I did already many times, but on juda all that is wasted, so why should I?
Well, just for you, I'll give a short answer to this:
Any "open pvp mmo" needs all sorts of players, whereas carebears usually make up the backbone of a player driven industry as the pvp players usually spend more time with other things, and fill many more vital roles, like being both easy targets for "pvp players" and a vital resource for them, like offering "rent" for being protected.

That doesn't happen in this game. If you played this game seriously in a competitive way you would know this.

Oh, look, "winning" an argument by applying a generalised answer to a specific situation.

Taipion wrote:Oh, look, "winning" an argument by applying a generalised answer to a specific situation.

Ask any raider in this game and they are going to tell you that the risk of getting materials outside of your town is high enough that the peace of mind of creating everything in house is more worth their time.

Judaism wrote:[
Other than that I think that many people agree (especially veterans) with the fact that the current game state is horrible and serious changes are due. Most of which of course involve the raiding/pvp aspects, as not everyone would agree with exact;y everything I state. The essence of it is pure and true.

Do you want to give some specifics?

ZtyX wrote:

Judaism wrote:[
Other than that I think that many people agree (especially veterans) with the fact that the current game state is horrible and serious changes are due. Most of which of course involve the raiding/pvp aspects, as not everyone would agree with exact;y everything I state. The essence of it is pure and true.

Do you want to give some specifics?

defense have become so silly, you can go afk with a payd town and come back after months and its still untouched because raiding a big town is impossible even when its afk but more so when its defended

Heff, I've found very huge towns that Juda and his bunch raided over a year ago, why is that so if raiding big towns are impossible ?

My Town is not big, but with time, I could raid my well defended town with just two of any vet's characters.

If I were to become ugly enough (and determined), I know I could give a damn good attempt with myown characters at killing a coven of 5 or more afk-witches camping in a decently defended small town.

It just still looks and sound like folks are not willing to risk what it might cost if their offensive attempts are unsuccessful.

Ronch wrote:Heff, I've found very huge towns that Juda and his bunch raided over a year ago, why is that so if raiding big towns are impossible ?

My Town is not big, but with time, I could raid my well defended town with just two of any vet's characters.

If I were to become ugly enough (and determined), I know I could give a damn good attempt with myown characters at killing a coven of 5 or more witches camping in a decently defended small town.

It just still looks and sound like folks are not willing to risk what it might cost if their offensive attempts are unsuccessful.

bring 20 characters with 1k/1k/1k/1k to my base and i go afk a month ill assure you you will still not get in + lose all to KO.. thats because raiding big towns is impossible + ur ronch

Okay Hoofnmouth, lend me not 20 but just five 1k chars and then stay away for a month.

Ronch wrote:Okay Hoofnmouth, lend me not 20 but just five 1k chars and then stay away for a month.

KKK tried with 5+ people years ago when i got banned and nothing happened and that was when i didnt have a single steel wall, now i have 4 layers...

Heffernan wrote:
KKK tried with 5+ people years ago when I got banned and nothing happened and that was when I didn't have a single steel wall, now I have 4 layers...

Although you were "gone" for a month, your base was far from undefended. Member/s of your town (who fled with their main/s btw ) had alts that could've been used to defend your base from the inside with the use of OP defensive structures like the Long Range Mortar. Darwoth also seized the opportunity to collect evidence and TBC'd the characters that did start bashing. Those factors, coupled in with 1/2 of the team being unwilling to bear the risk that would come with the task or invest the time needed to accomplish the goal. Not to mention, you evaded your ban the very first day and iirc you expressed concern for the fate of your base while pretending to be some random newb

Heffernan wrote:bring 20 characters with 1k/1k/1k/1k to my base and I go AFK a month ill assure you you will still not get in + lose all to KO.. that's because raiding big towns is impossible + ur ronch

Give me 2 or 3 dedicated teammates and notice that you're going away for at least 3 days and I'll have Vatican flattened by the time of your return with 0 casualties.

Ronch wrote:Heff, I've found very huge towns that Juda and his bunch raided over a year ago, why is that so if raiding big towns are impossible?

All bases can be raided, its really just a matter of how long it'll take.

Ronch wrote:It just still looks and sound like folks are not willing to risk what it might cost if their offensive attempts are unsuccessful.

Lack of competitive pvp'ers
Lack of motivation due to low population (As a competitive player my motivation for raiding comes from the satisfaction of humiliating my enemies, robbing them of their time and hard work, bragging rights, asserting dominance etc, due to the small population all of that seems pointless but perhaps that has more to do with the type of players that are left rather than the actual number)
Gigantic time sink