Tribal Horde Presents Dances-With-Dudes

[Mushibag]

You, sir, are not a concerned party in the first place. The situation does not concern you at all, and if we tell you anything about it, it is out of the goodness of our hearts.

It's my concern because I don't want to play a game, or buy things with RL money if it's okay with the dev's for people to steal my accounts. Namely, I'm concerned that my accounts will be stolen like this.

Don't give out your password, and your accounts will not be "stolen like this."

[Darwoth]

on the topic of accounts this thread demonstrates a need for a clear cut definition of what is or is not actionable.

two examples:

if someone makes a client or mod, distributes it through these forums and puts a trojan into it to get passwords will action be taken vs that person? if yes would attempts be made to restore damage done to or as a result of stolen accounts?

what if someone infiltrates a town pretending to be someone from said town and ends up with an account login (has happened to me before) and then uses said account to damage said town?

[jorb]

if it's okay with the dev's for people to steal my accounts.

Listen, it's not as if we don't try to help people who lose their accounts, even when it is their own fault. We do respond, and we do try to restore accounts to their proper owners. What we do not do, on the other hand, is to, for example, try to reimburse incurred losses.

so password hacker bots are too much, but humans individually guessing similar account passwords isn't?

My concern and sympathy increases with the quality of the end users security practices, quite simply. In this case they were extremely poor, as Vigilance did not once fail to login on the account in question.

[Jalpha]

Holy ***** Claeyt...

Why are you trying to decide if the colour grey is either black or white.

It's neither... It's ***** grey!

And by-the-by you shouldn't really have any say in just exactly what shade of grey it is...

[Claeyt]

My concern and sympathy increases with the quality of the end users security practices, quite simply. In this case they were extremely poor, as Vigilance did not once fail to login on the account in question.

Then it comes down to one question and one question only:

"Did Realak try and log onto his own account to save his town during the raid but was prevented from doing that because Vigilance had already logged onto Realak's account to prevent him from logging on with a password that he had possibly not been given?"

[jorb]

if someone makes a client or mod, distributes it through these forums and puts a trojan into it to get passwords will action be taken vs that person? if yes would attempts be made to restore damage done to or as a result of stolen accounts?

Custom clients are by definition not supported, and if you use one you do so at your own peril. If someone posted one on the forums we would, however, take it down, and probably ban the person in question.

what if someone infiltrates a town pretending to be someone from said town and ends up with an account login (has happened to me before) and then uses said account to damage said town?

Good question! Where does the line between acceptable subterfuge and the real world go? I can't claim to know exactly. A central point, however, is that we do not support account sharing at all. If you share accounts, you do so at your own peril.

[jorb]

"Did Realak try and log onto his own account to save his town during the raid but was prevented from doing that because Vigilance had already logged onto Realak's account to prevent him from logging on with a password that he had possibly not been given?"

Does it? Maybe Vigilance thought the account was a shared account, and that it was fine for him to be on it? Clearly it was fine to be on the other account, so why not this one, given how he knew the password?

If you insist I should perhaps start banning people for even sharing accounts -- unsupported -- in the first place?

[Jalpha]

Why the ***** does that matter.

He was careless with his account password.

Any online game out there will not compensate for damages done on an account if the end user hasn't kept their end of the bargain.

If you share it, be willing to lose it. That's a pretty clear cut case in my view.

[Claeyt]

I completely agree that Realak was completely careless with his passwords. I just think that if Vigilance was on Realak's account to prevent Realak from logging on to it to save the town then that means he stole it against the wishes of the owner of the account. I think Vigilance should be punished for that. Not permanently banned or anything but something more than just this warning from loftar.

[Darwoth]

it would be great if you could just copy enders client to your server and make it the "official" client that we can all be sure remains clean, as it is i leave my clients open most times because i grow tired of running a virus scan every time i launch them and run the updater.