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[Darwoth]

what are you talking about? the incident i refer to happened 2 steps out of the arena.

[Methuzelah23]

what are you talking about? the incident i refer to happened 2 steps out of the arena.

That's just the end where you got killed. What about the hour or two previous where you had been trying to kill someone outside the arena yourself?

[RonPaulFTW]

what are you talking about? the incident i refer to happened 2 steps out of the arena.

That's just the end where you got killed. What about the hour or two previous where you had been trying to kill someone outside the arena yourself?

Darwoth confirmed bug abuser?

[JohnCarver]

Seems most people like to throw around terms here that I quite simply do not agree with.

Unintended Mechanic =/= A bug.

When horses were first released. I intended for a stomp to knock a player off a horse. I did not necessarily intend for the Fight Relation (starting the stomp) to remove the player from the horse. By your definitions, this is some BUG as it is an unintended mechanic with negative effects and I should start restoring horses. Yet, how many hotfixes have happened and this still remains the case? The simple fact is I like that unintended mechanic, and actually think it is working better than I originally designed.

In the case of Trojan Horses. Yes I knew, and actually reported this to Jorb when I played. This unintended mechanic itself is not being hotfixed. Do I like the ambiguity or killing somebody with a chair? No. Do I like the idea that you can have a trojan horse in Salem? Absolutely. The simple fact is, if I don't hotfix the problem, there are not going to be restores. Because if I dont' consider the problem large enough to bring down the server and fix it on the spot, then there is clearly a part of me that thinks that even if it is unintended, it is not necessarily a bug.

A small part of me wants to simply Tooltip chairs, and give you a general warning and leave them as is. However, I think a better solution would be to make chests with a "false bottom" that players can climb into and log off in. Or perhaps some implementation with Coffins or some other trojan-horse item.

Either way, if you consider every unintended mechanic a bug, then you will be sorely disappointed in the way in which "bugs" are actually handled going forward.

[Darwoth]

I can't believe that you are laughing at people pretending this is not a bug. You are a disgusting little ***** of a bug abuser, and you are not worth more than the dude that killed you with the leanto jump bug.

you further demonstrate your inability to comprehend the difference.

vigilance merely walked up to my wall and jumped over it, i did nothing wrong. i made no dumb decisions. and i still did not get a restore, nor was vigilance punished as i could have prevented it from occuring by having an inner vault. this example however see an entire town of idiots with scents left everywhere that leaves all of their gates open and carries random **** inside. no different than a party invite other than you have to do many otders of magnitude MORE retarded **** in this instance.

[Darwoth]

what are you talking about? the incident i refer to happened 2 steps out of the arena.

That's just the end where you got killed. What about the hour or two previous where you had been trying to kill someone outside the arena yourself?

oh give me a ***** break before all our good grace go to **** again, you know damn well that......

1> any murder blows i performed in or out of the arena were for show. same as all the ones landed on my alt that day that did not go through both in and out of the arena.

2> the time i canoed around and blocked you in on the ledge happened like 8 hours before that

[lachlaan]

So to sum it up, any bug is in its early stages an unintended mechanic, and even if they all have potential negative effects, and all negative effects are in the hands of the bug/unintended mechanic discoverer, only the ones your whims deem not fun get the user punished and the victim restored? Fun philosophy, god forbid you had liked the idea of horses "jumping" over fences, or any of the other bugs. The point remains that until the mechanic becomes embraced, it's still some nuance of bug and the victim still has very little incentive to keep on playing if they can't know that their gameplay isn't at the whim of the devs, but rather accurately defined by the available information pertaining to the game mechanics.

[Darwoth]

pretty sure the general guideline to people with the ability to read seems to be if you did a number of stupid things to facilitate something happening to you it might be tough ****, whereas if someone is able to just breach your base through no fault of your own you have a case for grievance.

[RonPaulFTW]

So to sum it up, any bug is in its early stages an unintended mechanic, and even if they all have potential negative effects, and all negative effects are in the hands of the bug/unintended mechanic discoverer, only the ones your whims deem not fun get the user punished and the victim restored? Fun philosophy, god forbid you had liked the idea of horses "jumping" over fences, or any of the other bugs. The point remains that until the mechanic becomes embraced, it's still some nuance of bug and the victim still has very little incentive to keep on playing if they can't know that their gameplay isn't at the whim of the devs, but rather accurately defined by the available information pertaining to the game mechanics.

Yup. Bad move JC.

[JohnCarver]

So to sum it up, any bug is in its early stages an unintended mechanic, and even if they all have potential negative effects, and all negative effects are in the hands of the bug/unintended mechanic discoverer, only the ones your whims deem not fun get the user punished and the victim restored? Fun philosophy, god forbid you had liked the idea of horses "jumping" over fences, or any of the other bugs. The point remains that until the mechanic becomes embraced, it's still some nuance of bug and the victim still has very little incentive to keep on playing if they can't know that their gameplay isn't at the whim of the devs, but rather accurately defined by the available information pertaining to the game mechanics.

To pretend that you, me, or anyone would fully understand the scope of every change and every interaction from every item in the game is just dreaming of some utopian development that has never existed in gaming and never will. The fact is, when things happen that we do not think are a bug, they will not be hotfixed. You seem to think that stealing players chairs should not allow the player who had his chair stolen to log back into it. I disagree that is a bug and simply think its a mechanic that could be better refined.