The Ghost of Christmas Future

[Dallane]

Sorry upfront if i cant do this here in this thread or not now in this thread.

Some people are assuming people will somehow hear of this game if there is a wipe.
If there is a wipe you can only be certain that some people will leave and you have NO certainty that new/more people will come.

So currently doing a wipe is useless for player increase purposes.
To get new players maybe there should be an advertising campaign or somesuch. and since seatribe AND salem isnt currently ready for this, a campaign will not happen, thus a wipe wont.
Unless the new upgrade-patch-content or whatnot requires a wipe. but thats for a whole other reason.

Dont get me wrong, i would love a wipe. being a new player it would level at least a little bit of the playing field.
Regards
Ukhata

Actually you are wrong. As hnh has proved wiping with major updates increases the pop and for the most part barring terrible lag will keep the pop up.

[Ukhata]

Aah, but results made in the past is no surety for the future.
I´m also not saying no WILL came. I'm just saying you have no surety they will.
What we DO know is a few people here saying they will quit if a wipe comes. And some saying they will come if a wipe comes.
But the I'm leaving seem to be higher then the I'm coming back. so you know for "sure" more people will leave then come.
This is not to say more people will not come. But we have conformation of more people leaving then coming.
When more people on the forum say they will come back or start after a wipe i will hand over victory of this discussion to you.

regards
Ukhata

[Dallane]

Aah, but results made in the past is no surety for the future.
I´m also not saying no WILL came. I'm just saying you have no surety they will.
What we DO know is a few people here saying they will quit if a wipe comes. And some saying they will come if a wipe comes.
But the I'm leaving seem to be higher then the I'm coming back. so you know for "sure" more people will leave then come.
This is not to say more people will not come. But we have conformation of more people leaving then coming.
When more people on the forum say they will come back or start after a wipe i will hand over victory of this discussion to you.

regards
Ukhata

just stop. you are clueless

[MagicManICT]

What Dallane is saying is that the older players (that are still interested) will come back and check things out. And yes, this is pretty consistent from game to game to game. I know others that have a regular world wipe and their population just keeps growing. With HnH, a wipe meant that there were usually major updates. In the couple of cases where the world was reset due to hardware failures, there wasn't this big jump in population. Does it bring new people? A few, I think. There's no real definitive proof on that. Of course, if the older players come back and stick around, they usually spread the word around to people they know and a few do come around to check things out.

Instead of looking at wipes to keep player population up, one probably should be looking at why players leave and what you can do about it.

[L33LEE]

I feel its time i logged in and added my 2 Pence reguarding the subject of wiping the current servers / worlds.

So it has been now many many months since the purity changes, the food value changes and more..

Now speaking from a TESTING Point of view even Jorbta must know that since then, nothing has been tested in the way it should be(i have not even bothered testing or playing since the purity changes and no wipe, because its POINTLESS with the items still being in the game, you CANNOT TEST ****). The current machanics of the game are totally broken with reguards to legacy items effecting how we tested the new updates, and due to this no results have been showen and no progress has been made in 6 months reguarding the balance of the game.

For all we know, the games humour and biles system could be totally working and fine(or could be totally broken to hell and make development almost impossible) under the current purity system and current food values, however due to no full wipe happening, and legacy items effecting the testing phase of the redesign of core machanics means no update has been tested in the way it should have been, and no feedback has been given. With how slow character development could be under the new system only a wipe would be able to fully dictate accurate results, and basically for the past 6 months no content feed back to the devs has been given, because as said we cannot test anything.(Due to not wiping the game testing of machanics is months behind what it should have been).

When serious redesigns are made (Purity and food values months ago) a wipe should have instantly followed, thus allowing all the players to correctly test the new content, give the feedback on how the content works and only from there can real development move forward on the changes. Sadly this never happened, and 95% of the vets left because without the wipe, no testing or anything could happen, and it made the game stagnent and stale also it fully stopped new players from really joining, testing and enjoying the game due to the sheer amount of titans in power and the legacy items which exist. All it takes is new players to visit the forums, read whats REALLY happening on servers and know its not even worth trying at its current stage, because they would not even stand a chance.

Im confident wipes normally bring new players to the game with some leaving due to work lost, but NOT WIPING, forces even more players to NOT PLAY OR EVEN TRY due to the broken chracters and items created under a VERY OLD system.

If salem really wish's to move forward it NEEDS a wipe, and VERY SOON, if they intend to keep a playerbase big enough to even fully test the new machanics soon to be released.

If core re-designs of a game (Any game) are made and extremelly powerfull items still exist from an old machanic, this is a very very very good reason to instantly wipe a server to allow the testing of the new machanics to happen, even if no new map is generated, and its just reset (Unsure if they can even do this), there should be a full wipe of everything.

*fingers crossed for a wipe and new map, only way now to get me to log back into the game again*

[Darwoth]

greb = died wants a wipe

leelee = quit, came back, threw a temper tantrum and got kicked out of his town, quit and wants a wipe. widely regarded as the biggest retard on the forums until claeyt showed up.

alloin = lost all of his characters except for one and wants a wipe.

dallane = has not played in 2 years but comes around every mention of a patch just to annoy everyone by yelling for a wipe.


meanwhile of the 200 - 300 active people that log on and play many would not return in the event of a wipe.

[L33LEE]

greb = died wants a wipe

leelee = quit, came back, threw a temper tantrum and got kicked out of his town, quit and wants a wipe. widely regarded as the biggest retard on the forums until claeyt showed up.

alloin = lost all of his characters except for one and wants a wipe.

dallane = has not played in 2 years but comes around every mention of a patch just to annoy everyone by yelling for a wipe.


meanwhile of the 200 - 300 active people that log on and play many would not return in the event of a wipe.

You seem to be mistaken, i quit a long time ago and still have full access to everything reguardless of the shinanigans had. I have wanted a wipe a along time now, long befor discussed on the forums. Befor the candy gang even went into full swing tbh when other changes happened and i felt wipes should happen. (when field 1x1 existed then was removed, characters and stockpiles from them days still existed and saw people through the dark times).

Think what you want, you always have you always will.

[Jalpha]

I've played other betas and wipes are pretty common.

However MagicManICT raises a very good point.

Instead of looking at wipes to keep player population up, one probably should be looking at why players leave and what you can do about it.

Wipe or not there's more important things to discuss.

[L33LEE]

I've played other betas and wipes are pretty common.

However MagicManICT raises a very good point.

Instead of looking at wipes to keep player population up, one probably should be looking at why players leave and what you can do about it.

Wipe or not there's more important things to discuss.

People are leaving(and no new ones starting to play) due to no wipes, and character imbalance, this is the core discussion of players leaving imho.

[Jalpha]

I don't think I can argue against the power a wipe would have to boost the player count... At least temporarily. I do think that a wipe without a major update to rebalance the humour and purity mechanics, with some interesting and fun new content would be a lot more effective at retaining the players who would return.

You are right in that there should have been a wipe, or at the least the opening of a new server after the sweeping changes to purity were made, in order to properly test the new mechanics in a sterile petrie dish. However those changes were never meant as a long term solution, and it could have further dissolved the playerbase, spreading them out even more, which will always be an issue until inter-server travel is implemented (and that particular update would work best with a total wipe imho).