PvP Insight/Heads UP

[JohnCarver]

I like a lot of this in theory, however, I think the SUPER high required for the murder skill should be a lowered a bit. This new system already makes it incredibly hard to be a criminal, why not make it easier for baddies to get the skill, thus giving them the option of putting some scents out there.

I disagree, Its still super easy to be a criminal. It is simply hard to be a murderer. There is a difference.

Will this still require the criminal skill, Larceny?

Yes

I do not quite understand this. Seems to me the options are, Get summoned and fight at the trial, or run and get summoned and fight at the trial. As I see it there is 1 option, get summoned and fight at the trial.

Also, I am concerned that without some kind of invulnerability for a few seconds when summoned, as the criminal loads in they will not have to time react to the mob of players waiting for them. When there is a lot going on it can take a good 10-20 seconds for an older machine to load up the game. What stops the mob from taking advantage of this time the criminal is waiting for loading..

Indeed, It is important to realize that at one point in development the act of getting summoned to the Trial simply 'killed' the criminal. It is more of a novelty that you have the opportunity to fight or 'run' after the summon and isn't all that important to me in the grand scope of the system. The 'real' intention here is that criminals either A) are in a gang that can reasonably put up a fight against whatever 'mob' of people has formed to go after them. At which point it comes down to if players can 'sneak' one of these in, and how vigilant that gang is. or B) The solo murderer who cannot win in open combat against his enemies is in a near constant state of running around changing leantos, hiding in the wilderness, and generally becoming as difficult to 'continue' to track as possible. B is certainly a depressing thought for the criminal on the run, but so is somebody who is murdering innocent players who doesn't have the 'power' to back up his action when Justice shows up at his doorstep.

[Claeyt]

No. Decay will only happen on totally unclaimed land. No longer does it effect claims, even if they are not paid..

Wow. Well this should be interesting. Honestly this might be the biggest change to the game that we'll physically see on the server. All those decayed bases are just going to stay there until a thief with no fear mans up and takes the hits.

I disagree, Its still super easy to be a criminal. It is simply hard to be a murderer. There is a difference.s

Maybe I misread something somewhere, can TbC's only be built against Murderers and Wasters or can they also be built against those who use Battery and Larceny? I read it that TbC's can only be built against Murder and Waste.

[JohnCarver]

The reason for the skill being so hard to get is because scalping them rewards with store credit. In effect meaning it is possible to gain real world currency from in game effort. Perhaps 350 is too high, but whatever value chosen has to be high enough.

Exactly.

What about players who use a claimstone as there homestead ?

will we persist in the world?

No, a claimstone counts as a leanto for this system.

Wow. Well this should be interesting. Honestly this might be the biggest change to the game that we'll physically see on the server. All those decayed bases are just going to stay there until a thief with no fear mans up and takes the hits.

Indeed. Also raiders will have to give a priority to bases depending on the 'odds' that somebody might find or care about the scents they leave at an 'abandoned' looking base.

[AmmaBoss]

No. Decay will only happen on totally unclaimed land. No longer does it effect claims, even if they are not paid..

Wow. Well this should be interesting. Honestly this might be the biggest change to the game that we'll physically see on the server. All those decayed bases are just going to stay there until a thief with no fear mans up and takes the hits.

You do know this patch will cause more noobs to be raided right it won't reduce crime really ( maybe reduce murders a bit)

[JohnCarver]

Maybe I misread something somewhere, can TbC's only be built against Murderers and Wasters or can they also be built against those who use Battery and Larceny? I read it that TbC's can only be built against Murder and Waste.

All summon-able scents except Witchcraft are currently summon-able at it. Just over different times. Witch-craft is intended to have its own mechanic but I may stick it on here as a placeholder until we get to that.

You do know this patch will cause more noobs to be raided right it won't reduce crime really ( maybe reduce murders a bit)

It will indeed be interesting. Raiding is certainly 'more-viable' after this patch. One thing is for certain though, Rangering and the 'death' of criminals will be up an infinite amount as well.

[trungdle]

Big changes. What's wrong with permanent death? I see no trouble. How is that harder when silver is so easy to find? Go raid someone or ransom a bit and you're set. Really, I think it's more like nonsense talking. Keep advertising permanent death it is as true as ever. Every one can kill everyone now.

[Claeyt]

What about the stockades? Will people be able to be cursed by witches while in stockades?

[Claeyt]

You do know this patch will cause more noobs to be raided right it won't reduce crime really ( maybe reduce murders a bit)

I highly doubt it. Leaving a scent is just asking to die now.

[JohnCarver]

Added to OP

--Disclaimer--
You have already seen cannons in various teaser screenshots. There are also multiple layers of walls and several other 'systems' and mechanics that will NOT be dropped this patch. This is because this set of PVP changes is intended for the balance of Providence, which in general is a slower paced, less-chaotic, more stable land. Expeditions are the near opposite of this. So this PvP picture, while nearly complete for the future landscape of Providence PvP is largely inspired as something that can 'work' for the expeditions as well once we throw a few more mechanics into those to round things out and really spice things up.

Those who want complete chaos will find that expeditions are going to be more their play style. Those who want complete safety while leaving crimes will find they have no home in Salem anymore.

What about the stockades? Will people be able to be cursed by witches while in stockades?

No

[trungdle]

Use your own ranger to harvest the scene? Camp the site with pvp Alt?s