It's too easy to lose everything

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It's too easy to lose everything

Postby hezbollama » Sat May 17, 2014 8:41 am

On my main character I found a place to settle, built it up from scratch and was getting along just fine. Tonight I logged on to do some work, then logged off for dinner. Three hours later I logged back on to check on the progress of hides and dried fish when I noticed a lean-to on my property and my claim stone was gone. The perpetrator appeared (he had apparently been pilfering my goods for things to sell back in Boston and we almost crossed paths) and demanded that I leave "his" base. Anyway, he killed me and that was that. The person (probably 12 years old, as these things tend to go) didn't even have the decency to be honest that they were stealing my settlement. He kept claiming that he built it and was there first. The worst part about multiplayer games is the other players.

In the span of 3 hours, I lost over a months worth of work. I think it's far to easy for someone to come onto your claimed property and destroy your claim and take it over. I think you should have to really work at it. I think it should take no less than 5 hours and a good amount of food to refill your humors to actually destroy a claim. I understand the permadeath nature of this game, and the fragility of existence within Salem, but this, I think, is a leading cause of why there are so few players that resulted in scaling back to only one server. There has to be a balance struck between the vision of a brutal game and a decent size player base. The game seems designed to keep players away from the game, and I think that's sad. I'll keep playing, but I don't think I'll settle anywhere anytime soon. What's the point? There are far too many "griefers" in this shallow pool of a player base to make playing the game worth it, for me at least. I don't speak for anyone else. When I tell people about this game, I always have to say it's a hard game to love. Part of that is the other players and part of it is the, occasionally, poor game design. But there is a lot to love about Salem, and I enjoy most of it.
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Re: It's too easy to lose everything

Postby vienradzis » Sat May 17, 2014 10:06 am

You are too dumb to put silver in your claimstone. And now blame developers.

Playing so long and havent signed Treaty.
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Re: It's too easy to lose everything

Postby jwhitehorn » Sat May 17, 2014 6:18 pm

What he said above me.

You were too stupid to put silver in your stone. If you did, he wouldn't have been able to do it.

You were too stupid to log off when you saw an aggressive player. As such you died.

There is no game design correction for stupid.

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Re: It's too easy to lose everything

Postby neored9 » Sat May 17, 2014 7:13 pm

I told you three times to leave my base. You got what you deserved.
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Re: It's too easy to lose everything

Postby hezbollama » Sat May 17, 2014 7:25 pm

Someone who isn't a ***** explained my mistake, so now I understand.
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Re: It's too easy to lose everything

Postby jwhitehorn » Sat May 17, 2014 7:28 pm

hezbollama wrote:Someone who isn't a ***** explained my mistake, so now I understand.


By this you mean somebody who masked the fact that you died from your own stupidity, therefore, making you feel less inferior about your place in the natural selection of things?

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Re: It's too easy to lose everything

Postby neored9 » Sat May 17, 2014 7:55 pm

hezbollama wrote:Someone who isn't a ***** explained my mistake, so now I understand.


Yeah, you didn't leave when you had the chance and then you were rude and then you died. So you understand how this is all YOUR fault.
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Re: It's too easy to lose everything

Postby Binks » Sat May 17, 2014 8:51 pm

hezbollama wrote:Someone who isn't a ***** explained my mistake, so now I understand.

Your first mistake was not signing the treaty and abiding by our laws. Your second mistake was not paying the upkeep of your claim and it ran out therefore anyone could walk onto your claim with out making crimes. However if you would have signed the treaty and played by our rules we would of helped you out and explained to you what you did wrong and helped you get and keep everything under control. BUT instead you were a criminal and had to be dealt with.
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Re: It's too easy to lose everything

Postby Frakked » Tue May 20, 2014 9:56 am

hezbollama wrote:Someone who isn't a ***** explained my mistake, so now I understand.


1. You still might be dead even if you had put silver in your claim stone.

2. Essentially putting silver in claim stone is paying rent for the land you claim. If you don't pay the rent- you don't own it and any ******* can destroy your hard work and effort.

3. IF you had paid rent and still been wiped; the attacker would have left scents that you could have then used ( via an alt [new alts of same account inherit deceased holdings]) to get retribution and/or another more developed player could have assisted you with.

4. Base defenses have been well documented; they are ONLY worthwhile if 'RENT' has been paid. They are currently OP.. so being caught w/o is literally the biggest goof possible.

5. Building them and not paying rent is a waste of time. Any idiot with 100+ biles can chop through any defense where there is no active claim.

6. Again, if you neglect to research basic defense and pay rent... you got killed. I don't particularly care for your executioner... but if it'd been me... I would have killed you too. Paying rent is life here... if you can't be bothered... you don't belong here. Move along.
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Re: It's too easy to lose everything

Postby neored9 » Thu May 22, 2014 3:20 pm

Frakked wrote:
hezbollama wrote:Someone who isn't a ***** explained my mistake, so now I understand.


1. You still might be dead even if you had put silver in your claim stone.

2. Essentially putting silver in claim stone is paying rent for the land you claim. If you don't pay the rent- you don't own it and any ******* can destroy your hard work and effort.

3. IF you had paid rent and still been wiped; the attacker would have left scents that you could have then used ( via an alt [new alts of same account inherit deceased holdings]) to get retribution and/or another more developed player could have assisted you with.

4. Base defenses have been well documented; they are ONLY worthwhile if 'RENT' has been paid. They are currently OP.. so being caught w/o is literally the biggest goof possible.

5. Building them and not paying rent is a waste of time. Any idiot with 100+ biles can chop through any defense where there is no active claim.

6. Again, if you neglect to research basic defense and pay rent... you got killed. I don't particularly care for your executioner... but if it'd been me... I would have killed you too. Paying rent is life here... if you can't be bothered... you don't belong here. Move along.


Do you even play the game?
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