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I heard a rumor about other wall types being implemented at at some point.

I would like to suggest that instead of building new wall types, you would be able to upgrade the wall segments you already had built.

Currently people build walls in layers to maximize defense. When implementing other wall types.. people will try rush to best wall available and build that. If you could upgrade your wall segments people would start small and slowly upgrade. Instead of having zero defense or max defense.

The cost of these upgrades should ofc match the strength the wall gains, and perhaps cost less than building a new layer of wall (depending on the strength ofc)

Would be cool if the walls changed texture/height/fancyness when upgraded.

generally speaking, in the real world when you want to 'upgrade' a fence/wall you have to remove the original to do so.. but while you're calling it an upgrade, I guess it makes sense to have a system of 'remove/rebuild' as a whole action rather than having to go through the process of removing then also rebuilding. As long as the labor (humor drain) involved is still balanced towards the amount of work involved, I could see that working.

It would be visually appealing to see the upgraded sections in progress too. I like it.

lol, when new walls come out I'll just build another wall or 8 around my base. No need to reduce the amount of defenses I already have by upgrading or otherwise. The more walls the better, imo.

For the "space conscious", adding more walls just isn't an option. Maybe they're hermitting a small town claim and don't want to increase their silver expenditure on it to get the better walls.

MagicManICT wrote:For the "space conscious", adding more walls just isn't an option. Maybe they're hermitting a small town claim and don't want to increase their silver expenditure on it to get the better walls.

Although I don't really mind the concept, the effort put into any wall will far exceed the silver cost of a bigger personal claim to cover it.

Experience says that security has no price, but what good is a split-rail fence when the wall next to it is a brick wall? That fence isn't anything more than a speed bump... more like a shallow pot hole you don't even have to slow down for.

MagicManICT wrote:Experience says that security has no price, but what good is a split-rail fence when the wall next to it is a brick wall? That fence isn't anything more than a speed bump... more like a shallow pot hole you don't even have to slow down for.

Under current systems, the first wall is "free" because braziers won't really defend them anyway unless it requires two vandalism attempts. As such, using a split rail fence if you think they're easier to build than stone hedges is a benefit.

But yet again, I'm not at all against the upgradeable wall concept. Going through 5 layers of gates gets really dang annoying.

One thing I'd like to see is the "disassemble" action which would allow me to remove buildings (and fences) on my own claim. Slower, but with lower phlegm drain. Walls are supposed to be tough to break, but if I want to disassemble them myself (and having enough time) why do I have to spend as much phlegm to do it as if I was breaking into my own territory?

staxjax wrote:lol, when new walls come out I'll just build another wall or 8 around my base. No need to reduce the amount of defenses I already have by upgrading or otherwise. The more walls the better, imo.

Well DUH ofc... But you are looking at this from a fail perspective

example: (numbers are just examples)

let's say you have 3 layers of walls, each wall takes 30 plegm to destroy.

Would you upgrade an existing wall if the upgrade would improve your wall to drain an additional 50 plegm (80 total) when attempting to destroy? or would you still build a new wall only draining 30 plegm? (60 total when compared)

impact on game:

3 layers of wall with 4 possible upgrade states.

instead of 15+ layers of walls to achieve same result. (in this case i am comparing to the only wall type we have now)

the idea:

The idea was to be able to upgrade walls, so that people wouldn't "rush" to the best wall and build that. Currently i think most players with some knowledge of the game skips wooden walls and jumps straight to stone walls.

aragaer wrote:One thing I'd like to see is the "disassemble" action which would allow me to remove buildings (and fences) on my own claim. Slower, but with lower phlegm drain. Walls are supposed to be tough to break, but if I want to disassemble them myself (and having enough time) why do I have to spend as much phlegm to do it as if I was breaking into my own territory?

Agreed. Removing your own fence should not be so difficult.