Proper defenses...

[darnokpl]

Imho proper defence (hard to destroy) right now is designed for communistic groups, so they can spam basic walls around their small camps.
Salem was designed to give players freedom, so I want to use this "freedom" in more capitalistic way, but to do that I can't have tiny camp, capitalistic towns need space and that space can't be filled with spammed walls in 50%, that would be just stupid.

Imho "proper defence" should be expensive and building it should be time and resource consuming, but that does not equal to spam as many as you can weak and cheap walls like we can see right now.

I am suggesting to boost town claims, so braziers put into personal and town claim would fire on first vandal attempt not second.
That should make town scroll worth of 2500 silver for many people:)

[Sevenless]

I honestly don't agree with you. The current defence system has *some* merits, but I really don't want to see us stay with this or make it even stronger. It's just too easy to abuse really. There's a very real cap on how defended your base can be statically, and eventually people will be able to take that down. The charcoal in braziers alone for example. Once all your braziers run out, your base is defenceless.

Right now that's not an issue. But what if this game ever got popular? A warparty of 30 could easily drain the braziers dry, and then raid at will. Right now it's all about having enough characters to properly cycle the crime buff. If that's done, anyplace is paper. If you don't have enough, you can't do anything at all.

[naosnule]

Imho proper defence (hard to destroy) right now is designed for communistic groups, so they can spam basic walls around their small camps.
Salem was designed to give players freedom, so I want to use this "freedom" in more capitalistic way, but to do that I can't have tiny camp, capitalistic towns need space and that space can't be filled with spammed walls in 50%, that would be just stupid.

Imho "proper defence" should be expensive and building it should be time and resource consuming, but that does not equal to spam as many as you can weak and cheap walls like we can see right now.

I am suggesting to boost town claims, so braziers put into personal and town claim would fire on first vandal attempt not second.
That should make town scroll worth of 2500 silver for many people:)

The camps of communistic groups don't have to be small. In fact some of the largest towns out there are communistic and no it is not stupid to build many large walls around large camps. :/

[Sevenless]

Assuming brazier coverage, the larger the camp the better if valuables and leantos are at the center ideally speaking.

[MagicManICT]

But what if this game ever got popular? A warparty of 30 could easily drain the braziers dry,

My hope is that they figure out some way to increase the chances of forcing the two opposing parties into active combat, especially if we start talking warbands of 30-50+. As it is, raiders can come in and wipe out your base in the 6-8 hours a typical group of people will be completely offline.

[darnokpl]

But what if this game ever got popular? A warparty of 30 could easily drain the braziers dry,

My hope is that they figure out some way to increase the chances of forcing the two opposing parties into active combat, especially if we start talking warbands of 30-50+. As it is, raiders can come in and wipe out your base in the 6-8 hours a typical group of people will be completely offline.

That is my point... raiding town can be made too fast and I don't like idea to spam many level of the walls to make it 30 minutes longer.
Many walls on claim could have inreased soak value... personal claim +25%, town claim + 50%?

[MagicManICT]

Could do like in the Stronghold and the old Castles games: Make thicker walls that have more HP.

Just a reminder, though: there was a statement about more walls coming. I seriously doubt that this will be all there is.

[darnokpl]

I honestly don't agree with you. The current defence system has *some* merits, but I really don't want to see us stay with this or make it even stronger. It's just too easy to abuse really. There's a very real cap on how defended your base can be statically, and eventually people will be able to take that down. The charcoal in braziers alone for example. Once all your braziers run out, your base is defenceless.

Right now that's not an issue. But what if this game ever got popular? A warparty of 30 could easily drain the braziers dry, and then raid at will. Right now it's all about having enough characters to properly cycle the crime buff. If that's done, anyplace is paper. If you don't have enough, you can't do anything at all.

I understand that, those who have right now many walls can build town bell and they get real fort in there, but many walls are problematic when you need want to expand:)

Maybe instead of many cheap walls we should be able to build single expensive (iron, brick, lime) wall?:)

[Ass_Kraken]

Personally I prefer cheap walls just so there isn't an arbitrary 1 layer wall of brick and done.

[MagicManICT]

Maybe instead of many cheap walls we should be able to build single expensive (iron, brick, lime) wall?:)

Miss this? Wonder if I could find that on the Paradox forums... seems like it was under one of the dev announcements.

Just a reminder, though: there was a statement about more walls coming. I seriously doubt that this will be all there is.

edit: found the link: http://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/vie ... 28#p344328

We didn't have walls then. There is one wall type in the game right now and four more in the pipe.