Deconstruct Skill

[Champie]

Or just act like a professional. that would be cool

It seems to me that Dallane is a highly capable person in many ways, but he is the most ungracious forum dweller in Salem.

I would love to have the option of deconstructing some things in my town instead of burning them to the ground

[Dallane]

Vaults are risky. That small place is easily raided. There are no crimes inside, so you just need to get thru a few defenses and you get looted clean.

Just cause Dallane didn't spell it out, which he rarely does, does not invalidate what he said.

when i make posts on the forums i expect people to spell it out for me because i am new and thats the whole reason i am posting in the first place bud. If you don't want to spell it out for a newb because you have a million times before then don't but don't derail my posts for the sake of just antagonizing me, if i was "soft" like dallane said i would have quit the game by now. Thank you for explaining it to me though i appreciate that.

Actually big part of this game is discovering things for yourself. A lot of people worked hard and spent time to know what they do. Expecting and demanding information from a community like this isn't the greatest of mind sets. I'm honestly not antagonizing you on purpose nor am I derailing

[DeepSixed]

How about you learn mechanics instead of making dumb post and false statements.

Ideas isn't the section to learn mechanics but since you want to make a idiotic claim that mines are some sort of amazing vault then cry when someone says you are wrong I'll spell it out for you.

YOU HAVE ZERO OWNERSHIP IN A MINE. ANYONE CAN TAKE ANYTHING DOWN THERE WITH ZERO PENALTY OR SCENTS.

Ah, but it's much simpler to build a series of brick walls around a Mine Entrance... that is now... indestructible? I heard they are invulnerable now which is why I never put much in one. (Maybe if you change this- folks will be less interested in making their 'town' underground.)

Take Junction City

It took me months to build layered protections, especially with Brick... but if all I had to protect was a 3x3 square area... could've knocked it out in a week. Fewer braziers, torch posts, etc... **** tons of fewer defenses all round. Imagine all that I have protecting my town now... condensed around Mine Entrance. Do you really think I'd give a **** if someone managed to get through it all???!

So- raiders come along... where do they go for entry... the 1 brick layer or 3-5 brick layers?

Get a grip Dallane- Mine Entrances are a pittance compared to a full size town to build defenses for...

[TotalyMeow]

How about you learn mechanics instead of making dumb post and false statements.

Ideas isn't the section to learn mechanics but since you want to make a idiotic claim that mines are some sort of amazing vault then cry when someone says you are wrong I'll spell it out for you.

YOU HAVE ZERO OWNERSHIP IN A MINE. ANYONE CAN TAKE ANYTHING DOWN THERE WITH ZERO PENALTY OR SCENTS.

Ah, but it's much simpler to build a series of brick walls around a Mine Entrance... that is now... indestructible? I heard they are invulnerable now which is why I never put much in one. (Maybe if you change this- folks will be less interested in making their 'town' underground.)

Take Junction City

It took me months to build layered protections, especially with Brick... but if all I had to protect was a 3x3 square area... could've knocked it out in a week. Fewer braziers, torch posts, etc... **** tons of fewer defenses all round. Imagine all that I have protecting my town now... condensed around Mine Entrance. Do you really think I'd give a **** if someone managed to get through it all???!

So- raiders come along... where do they go for entry... the 1 brick layer or 3-5 brick layers?

Get a grip Dallane- Mine Entrances are a pittance compared to a full size town to build defenses for...

This is getting a bit off topic here, but no one seems too interested in talking about any details of how this deconstruct would work. Who gets to use it? How long does it take? What resources do you get back?

On the subject of building your entire town in a mine... that usually won't work so well as you think. For one, fields and a number of other things can't be built in a mine. Secondly, once they get through your defenses, it's open season on your possessions because there will be no drain or other penalties to anyone stealing things or destroying things in your mine. Sure, it might be a little easier to build the defenses, but that's not the awesome advantage you think it is.

Still, John likes people to have the option to build in a mine, and in case my earlier explanation wasn't clear enough, either the deconstruct skill would have to be limited to only working on claims and only for those who have permissions (making it not so useful), or it would also work for unclaimed things and that would make building in a mine a much less appealing option since anyone would be able to wipe out a mine base by deconstruction in just a few minutes. John did have some plans to maybe add airflow problems to crowded mines, but he never wanted mine building to be entirely unworkable.

[Dallane]

John did have some plans to maybe add airflow problems to crowded mines

Oh god LOL. Please let this happen.

[Tulgarath]

Vaults are risky. That small place is easily raided. There are no crimes inside, so you just need to get thru a few defenses and you get looted clean.

Just cause Dallane didn't spell it out, which he rarely does, does not invalidate what he said.

when i make posts on the forums i expect people to spell it out for me because i am new and thats the whole reason i am posting in the first place bud. If you don't want to spell it out for a newb because you have a million times before then don't but don't derail my posts for the sake of just antagonizing me, if i was "soft" like dallane said i would have quit the game by now. Thank you for explaining it to me though i appreciate that.

He isn't derailing by calling it retarded. You might not find it that helpful, but it's not a derail if it pertains to the topic.

If you expect people to spell things out, but don't place that disclaimer in the beginning of the post that's your fault. Many players feel that new players should learn the game before making suggestions. That is an oft repeated theme.

Also, if you go to the help section, you will generally get things spelled out to you. ..like precisely stated I&I isn't the place to learn the game.