Can indefinitely trap players on claims

[stephenseiber]

we are trapped... we are stuck in a KO state and it wont let us revive. and because are leant is there if we revived we would ko shortly after. we are on the rag server

[Champie4]

its not an exploit as its part of the game code to beable to build Pclaims on any unclaimed land regardless of what is there (provided its not already claimed) and the KO system really cant say OH you are ko'ed on someone elses land i wont ko you now.

The question should not be "Should the system KO you again when it ports you back to your Lean-to. The question should be, "Should the system port you back to your Lean-to if it will trigger a Crime Debuff. if (crime_debuff on port) { goto boston}

Currently, the system does not allow you to log-in on a town claim without citizenship. This isn't much different from implementing a "System will not port you into a Crime Debuff"

I have a question: How long is a character KO'd due to crime debuff? In the case of an earlier incident from another thread, the afflicted player was KO'd for several minutes (maybe 10-20), but not the 24 hours I thought players remained KO'd on a trespassed claim. Also, does crime debuff expire while a player is KO'd? It seems like a sort of double jeopardy to KO a player for criminal acts, make them pay the penalty (KO) and raise them from their sleep on someone else's claim and initiate a crime debuff that KO's them.

[robert]

crime debuff is only enabled if you turn on "crimes" via the option menu. which ill assume you have done so to move around on the claim after logging in being told you cant move, that is not a bug that is part of the crime mechanic.
that being said the debuff is based on how high it is and how far away from the area you committed the crime at. it can be as long as several days or as short as a few minutes. i know with a 3 tresspass crime standing next to the claime gave about 1hr debuff or so, but walking 10-20minutes from it dropped the timer down to about 10minutes.

as for teleporting and logging out.. you cant, do to crime debuff .. .again not a bug its part of the mechanic, unfortunately the game is tagging the toons as criminals which is they sort of are yet arnt. by game rule(s) mechanics using crime actions on a claim that is not yours, is a crime and punishable by debuff/BB drain ko... its the same rule/mechanic everyone deals with, unfortunately in this case someone has pclaimed and walled the people's houses in, while that is douchebaggery at its finest... its not a game mechanic bug or exploit really, its more of an oversight of the people being abused by it. there honestly isnt anything anyone can do other then bash the walls for the trapped people so they can leave. as its not an exploit in that a person changed your pclaim to ko you or changed the lock on your door so you cant leave for example. i cant see the admins doing anything.

whatever happens hopefully people have learnt from this and will pclaim their home for protection :/ even if you only have a leanto a 150s writ is chump change once you get rolling and will prevent alot of this sort of cheap "fun" from happening.

i think personally the reason you can login on a pclaim owned by someone else is do to the fact alot of people Pclaim their hermit villages with 1-2 people, they dont feel/want to try and afford a 40s+ per day upkeep townbell so everyone can login/out as a villager. so pclaims have the ability to allow you to login/out on it when its not yours. unfortunately this person used the game mechanics to screw over several people for giggles.

[Procne]

No. . .it is exploitation of a game-play mechanic. The personal claim mechanic is not intended to shut down a player, locking said player to his leanto, thus preventing them from teleporting to Boston.

With this I can agree. If your leanto is on a claimed ground where you have no permissions - after KO you should port to Boston instead of back to leanto. As for the rest... someone claimed the ground before you and they have the right to... evict you.

[stephenseiber]

except you cant log off if you are on somebodys property and you dont have the crime buff.i ended up being respawned do to the server restarting and got stuck on my lean to. with no way to move... nor does it allow me to log off.

[stephenseiber]

No. . .it is exploitation of a game-play mechanic. The personal claim mechanic is not intended to shut down a player, locking said player to his leanto, thus preventing them from teleporting to Boston.

With this I can agree. If your leanto is on a claimed ground where you have no permissions - after KO you should port to Boston instead of back to leanto. As for the rest... someone claimed the ground before you and they have the right to... evict you.

as for this it should present the person claiming the land with an option...


do you wish to evict the person(if its someone elses lean-to is there) people ( if there are multiple lean-tos)
yes or no

yes unlinks the lean-to from who ever owns it. and moves anyone inside the claim that doesnt have permission to be there outside of it...
No grants them permission to move about in that land as if they were kin.

[Champie4]

crime debuff is only enabled if you turn on "crimes" via the option menu. which ill assume you have done so to move around on the claim after logging in being told you cant move, that is not a bug that is part of the crime mechanic.

Thank you for clarifying that. I was assuming that you would get the crime debuff just for being on the claim. I didn't realize that you could log in on the claim and not immediately get the crime debuff. I will rethink my view with this information in mind.

[TeckXKnight]

yes unlinks the lean-to from who ever owns it. and moves anyone inside the claim that doesnt have permission to be there outside of it...
No grants them permission to move about in that land as if they were kin.

This is a blatantly malicious act so anyone doing it would just select no and then manually remove your permissions from you.

[Cik]

hotbar the port to boston, when you revive spam port to boston and voosh you are out.

Nope....doesnt work. This exploit traps you within your homestead even if you dont have a crime debuff, preventing you from porting to Boston....regardles of how repeatedly you click the goto boston button.

Currently, the system does not allow you to log-in on a town claim without citizenship. This isn't much different from implementing a "System will not port you into a Crime Debuff"

No it doesn't. I just logged into my homestead again, and was blocked, due to this bug, so I was prompted with a pop-up asking me if i wanted to be logged into a different location without losing all my gear. I clicked yes, and it logged my right into this exploiters land claim within my leanto, my homestead again, preventing me from porting to boston.

[TheMapp]

This issue is unfortunate and we need some sort of fix for this bug. After 24hours on a claim KO'd you should be allowed to TP back to boston if the homestead owner doesn't kill/kick you off. Being stuck inside after 24hours is quite a bit harsh and unintended.

We had just recently moved everyone off of my claim into a flattened area of lean-to's setup. Within a period of 12 hours someone came in and built a stone wall around the claim, flattened the edges of the area in order to put the wall up and dropped a homestead writ right on top of these players.

We come from the other beta before the purity nurf. We understand the game, this situation is not something that should be intended if they wish to keep a healthy population. I bring 15 players to the server this incident alone just lost us half of them players.

If Salem wants a healthy population then I suggest something be done about this exploit. Otherwise I and the rest of my group will focus on doing this to every lean-to we see.

Allow them to port to boston after 24 hours on the property.